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Re: Did some investigating today....again


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Posted by JD Seller on March 07, 2015 at 19:15:42 from (208.126.198.123):

In Reply to: Did some investigating today....again posted by Texasmark1 on March 07, 2015 at 15:30:24:

Texasmark1: Saving a few dollars on a CHEAP oil filter every two years is not good economy to me. Your gambling thousands of dollars against a few dollars. That is not good odds to me.

I have ran into two FRAM related filter issues. Both caused engine problems.

1) JD 4430 tractor. It had about 7500 hours on it. It got to where the owner could not start it in the middle of the summer without plugging the tractor in. It also was using oil too. He brought it to me to do a complete overhaul to it. I had it in the shop an removed the hood and the air cleaning system. I need to move the tractor over some before I disabled it. I hit the starter with the air filter off completely. The tractor started right up. I checked the air filter and it only had 50 hours of service on it an it looked clean. It was a Fram filter. I installed a OEM filter and the tractor would start normally. I went an got a NEW Fram Air filter and put it in the tractor. Tractor would not start. Re-installed the JD filter and the tractors started. So I changed the air filter, engine oil back to 15w40 + 50, and a JD oil filter. The tractor now has over 10,000 hours on it an starts normal and uses maybe a quart of oil between changes.

The Fram air filter was restricting the air flow an that was making it start hard and burn oil.

2) 2005 Ford Mountaineer with a 4.0 engine in it. They have timing chain tightener issues. Mainly the metal chain tighteners wear and drop metal filings into the engine oil. My best friend's vehicle. With about 50K for mileage he switched to Fram oil filters as they were $3 cheaper. After three oil changes his vehicle started to knock. I dropped the oil pan and found it had filings in it. I then checked some rod bearing and they were full of metal shavings. I cut the Fram oil filter apart. The paper was torn away from the end of the filter can. Allowing the oil a straight shot through with ZERO filtering.

He still had the old oil filters around from his prior oil changes. Everyone of the Farm filters were torn inside. The Wix and Motorcraft filters where not torn.

Yes the engine had a major mechanical issue but the other brands of filters caught the metal. The Fram failed to do that. Was poor quality of the Fram filter the reason the engine fail then??? I can't be sure, as the engine was full of metal.

So Fram filters are not going on anything I am going to pay the repair bills on.


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