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Eddie in MI

03-04-2007 06:16:44




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Unfortunately, bus driver's advice is the only practical answer.




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Big Mike

03-04-2007 10:19:50




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 Re: You hit the nail on the head! in reply to Eddie in MI, 03-04-2007 06:16:44  
He don't leave a guy much, though.... >:^))



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Bus Driver

03-04-2007 10:52:47




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 Re: You hit the nail on the head! in reply to Big Mike, 03-04-2007 10:19:50  
I own a small private residence, 480 square feet, and offer it as low-cost housing. Not fancy, but neat and clean. Furnished with range, refrigerator, couch, bed, dining table and chairs, washer and dryer, air conditioner, oil furnace. Water, electricity, heating oil furnished. Yard mowed, garbage collection. All for $350 per month. Fellow age 35 moved in. Did not pay after the first month. I learned the real facts too late. Drank 12 bottle of beer per day, smoked two packs of cigarettes. The fellow who sold the beer and cigarettes got paid, I did not. Under court orders to pay child support for children by his first two wives, $20K behind on one of those. Separated from the third wife. Just could not understand why all his employers terminated him so quickly. Got mad when I suggested how to improve his situation. Really got mad when I told him that he valued a cold beer more than a warm bed.

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Big Mike.

03-04-2007 15:54:12




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 Re: You hit the nail on the head! in reply to Bus Driver, 03-04-2007 10:52:47  
That's a great deal on that house! Cigs and Package Store Beer can add up, but me thinks he's just irresponsible more than anything! The two ex-wives with kids is a good indicator of that!



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Bus Driver

03-04-2007 17:01:52




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 Re: You hit the nail on the head! in reply to Big Mike., 03-04-2007 15:54:12  
Big Mike, add it up. I think he was spending about as much for the beer and cigarettes as he was SUPPOSED to pay to me. Slow suicide.



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Big Mike

03-04-2007 17:37:13




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 Re: You hit the nail on the head! in reply to Bus Driver, 03-04-2007 17:01:52  
More, the way I figgure it! (N W Indiana Prices)
Rounded off slightly, $11 for a cold 12-pak at the Package Store X's 30 (days) and Cigarettes @ $3.50 per pack X's 60 ( 2 paks a day, per month)
Figgures up to around $535.oo a Month!



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Stan in Oly, WA

03-04-2007 13:16:10




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 Re: You hit the nail on the head! in reply to Bus Driver, 03-04-2007 10:52:47  
Hi Bus Driver,

So what did you do? There's a certain amount of satisfaction in pointing out to a deadbeat what's wrong with his life, but not $350 a month worth. A long time ago I had to have some non-paying renters evicted from my first rental house, and more recently I got a good deal of experience with evictions at an apartment complex I worked at. Dead loss, as far as I can tell. Our legal system, particularly the civil law side, isn't set up to protect those who follow the rules from those who don't. This was hammered home for me when I learned that the quasi-legal definition of "judgement proof" is a person who has nothing to lose, nothing to give up, nothing that can be taken to settle claims against him or her. If you do have something to lose, however, you're really a prisoner to the system (See T_Bone's posting and the responses concerning property taxation abuses below for one example.) You have to play by the rules and take your lumps. You'll lose but you won't lose everything. Go outside the rules a little bit though (throw a deadbeat renter's goods out into the yard, injure an unarmed burglar in your house, grab a minor who's trying to flee after being caught vandalizing your property) and you're likely to lose everything.

Why is it that we productive citizens in a country which is a democracy feel so much like the helpless subjects of a lunatic feudal system? I know that it's not as bad as it could be, but is that actually a high enough standard? How much comfort, much less pride, should we take in the fact that our country's motto today could be, "America---not the worst country ever"? Didn't we used to aspire to a higher standard than that?

All the best, Stan

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Big Mike

03-04-2007 16:00:17




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 Re: You hit the nail on the head! in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-04-2007 13:16:10  
It IS a strange world we're living now,ain't it, Stan??? Oly, Wa, Huh? I use to like to drink Olympia Beer! Your handle reminded me of that!
(And yes, I pay my Mortgauge!) ":^D



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Bus Driver

03-04-2007 13:26:35




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 Re: You hit the nail on the head! in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-04-2007 13:16:10  
I asked him if he could find a better deal elsewhere and he said no. He is gone from my premises now.



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TimS in Mo

03-05-2007 09:15:41




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 Re: You hit the nail on the head! in reply to Bus Driver, 03-04-2007 13:26:35  
My wife impulsively signed up with one of those 'save your credit, get out of debt' frauds.

So...their deal was, send us your monthly payments you were paying to your debtors. We keep your money in our account.....until you are past 90 days due on ALL your debt payments, then they try and get the companies you owe money to to settle for half the outstanding debt or something like that....they tell you not to talk to the credit card companies or auto loan companies if they call you, just refer them to this 'get out of debt company' - of course they want you to do that, otherwise you find out they are HOLDING YOUR MONEY, and not paying YOUR PAYMENTS, and RUINING YOUR CREDIT while they make a profit.

It's a real quick way to ruin your credit rating. She never did get her money back from those folks and ended up having a minor hiccup on her credit report before we figured out what they were doing. We had to make up all the back payments real quick to get things back on track.

Non profit credit COUNSELING services are valuable, same as watching closely what you are spending your money on.

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