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Butch(OH)

09-29-2005 18:15:14

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IF all people place the same value on being totaly comfortable that it appears you do. And place the same value on being totaly handy to use that you do. And can spend what ever it takes to install and operate such a system, as it appears you can do then I would have to agree. For us that are not inclined to spend whatever it takes to have all the comforts of full utility line power and only worry about keeping the wood burner fan or furnace going, a couple lights and maybe the fridge or well pump a smaller unit is not only good enough it is as good as spending 10 grand. People who balyhoo nothing but the big units "cause you may need to run your whole house for days or weeks when the big one hits" Dont like to talk about the fuel needed to run such contraptions per hour TIMES hours in a day TIMES Days in a week TIMES dollars per gallon. It is always "you realy want it to be handy and dont want to fuss with it do you?" I guess in this day of VISA everything they can worry about it later right? Add it up folks before you buy, how long are you going to run your whole house and be comfortable at $3 per gallon? Buick, I agree with most of your posts but I am not a lame brain for using a 5000 watt generator. I dont rush to use it every tme the power goes out for 30 minutes. When it looks like it's going to be a while I run the 110 extension cords I already needed to own into my house and plug in a few lights and the furnace. if it going to be a while the 220 cord comes out and I plug in the well, things I deem important to stay comfortable. Scottish? maybe, or cheap as it may be, but not stupid because I place different values on where I spend my dollars. I do know how to monitor my start and running loads and yes it can require some jockying to start the well pump. Dangerous half arsed "installations" that defy codes and common sence, we are in complete agreement on. To each his own.

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buickanddeere

09-29-2005 23:37:45

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Re: Well, maybe,, in reply to Butch(OH), 09-29-2005 18:15:14

I wasn't thinking of an auto start 20KW unit beside the house for $10,000+. Not in my budget either. One of these days however, a nice cheap used 10-20KW pto unit is going to be found at an auction sale. I get by with a 5500W BUT there is a PF correction capacitor installed at the main panel. And I feed 240 to 120/240 transformer. The generator never sees a 120V load or unbalanced loads from Line to neutral. It�s a chore balancing loads on a small generator when one line is loaded to max and yet the other line is loafing along at � load. The money difference between a 3500 and 5000W generator is negligible, a couple of hundred at most. I can't see the sense of spending $2500 to install an 8 circuit emergency power panel beside the main panel and try to limp along with a 3500W generator that can't start the well pump. And the 3500W struggles with a fridge of freezer compressor. For the same $$$ you can purchase and install the cheaper Reliance Controls transfer switch. And purchase a 5500 to 10,000W generator. Now instead of the lights dimming out and the generators breaker tripping ...again.....The motor's start without over heating the generator's or motor's windings. A generator maybe rated at "5000" watts continuos and may carry 5000VA when applied carefully.
In the real world a 7500W generator running a 5000W load has better voltage and frequency control to reduce the chances of smoking $$$ electronic equipment. The fuel consumption per hour will be very similar to the small unit running at max. And reactive power from motor loads will be handled better. Nothing like the people with a generator that keeps tripping the breaker and the windings smelling hot. And yet the engine is not working close what if would with the generator powering its full rated watts. A little extra capacity never hurts as the power usually goes out when I'm at work or on the road. The wife or kids forget and turn on too many loads. There is more warning and less chance of damage when the generator is running at 110% instead of at 150% until they clue in. A little extra capacity gets used up in the winter pretty fast. That tractor or vehicle block heater. And the hot air gun used to thaw water pipes soak up some extra watts saves running in and out of the house to swap loads. A good 75 or 100 ft 12 gauge extension cord is getting to be serious $$$ nowadays. May as well hook right to the service and not bother with extension cords. Equipment grounding and safety? A portable generator bouncing on the ground and powering loads through an extension cord. Is not grounded like temp power supplied and grounded through the buildings service panel.

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Butch(OH)

09-30-2005 06:06:51

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Re: Well, maybe,, in reply to buickanddeere, 09-29-2005 23:37:45

My point was, but I admit terribly stated, that we all have different views of what is included in life's wants verus needs. Did not intend to come off as challanging your electrical knowledge. For my intended use my 4000 works well, starts everything I need to run and I am smart enough to use it safely and effectively with out letting that precious smoke out of the motors or wires. I spent $500 (I think?)for my generator, already owned the heavy 110 cords. Spent $30 or so for a piece or four wire SO and ends to run 220 to the well pump and pounded (and megged by the way) a ground rod too. For your purposes you like a bigger unit with more automatics but you have to watch loads too. Others could say you are a cheapskate and cheating your family for comforts. Our Lowes cant keep those big whole house automatic stand by sets in stock and most have to hire the installation to boot, you dont. I will however stand on my statement that most will learn how bad they want to be whole house confortable with the first power loss measured in days, not hours. Was a long day yesterday and sorry for the tone of first post.

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buickanddeere

09-30-2005 07:15:33

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Re: Well, maybe,, in reply to Butch(OH), 09-30-2005 06:06:51

That's ok. You are one of the most resonable posters on this site. I'm the one that sometimes gets a little crankier than the situation warrents. Or I can't resist kicking somebody that is carrying the sign "kick me". With the heat trace on some plumbing, a fridge, two freezers, deep well pump, two fans on the wood stove and the 3/4HP furnace circulation fan. That little 5500 is barking lound and hard when the microwave is switched on.

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