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Loren

09-07-2004 18:09:48




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The mixed gases will give MORE penetration? I've been told exactly the opposite at work, and that's been given as the reason for running CO2 instead. Hmm. This could really stir things up.

Tony, not sure why you told me that except for the "pick the right way to make it a good weld" story. Guess the whyfer's are losing me. Loren




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T_Bone

09-08-2004 04:11:52




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 Re: Am I reading this right? in reply to Loren, 09-07-2004 18:09:48  
Hi Loren,

The below list was made for SS but in theroy can be appiled to all common metals:

Pure Argon with Mig works well on light gauge SS SM as it gives lite penetration and reduces weld splatter. Argon adds arc stability with shallow penetration, lowers weld spatter and removes oxides at the weld surface.

Helium adds high thermal conductivity with-in the arc reducing it's density. Read this as a cheap(free) amperage increase. Increases penetration and flatens the weld bead contour.

As we move to heavier SS metals we can add 1% to 5%, o2 with the Argon that helps with undercutting and adding penetration for Mig welding. Adding more than 5% o2 would cause porosity with-in the weldment.

Qxygen in amounts upto 5% can be added for broading the penetration in the center of the weld bead, controls undercutting and helps improve arc stability.

Co2 can be added but has a spatter problem on most thin gauge metals and defeats my useage. O2 on the other hand enhances the tri-mix.

When Helium is added with Argon, 75%Ar/25%He the weld bead is broader and penetration is improved on SS.

Then we can add Co2 with Argon for a mix of 75%Ar/25%Co2. The Co2 is primarly added to reduce the cost of pure Argon. We can also use pure Co2 for some SS types but weld splatter is a big problem.

Now we get the best of all worlds and end up with a tri-mix of Argon/Helium/Co2. With this mix we get the flatest weld bead profile, good penetration and very little weld splatter on SS.

We also can use a heavy consentrate of Helium and add Ar, Co2 or o2 for Mig welding SS.

What determines the cover gas, is the composistion of the filler wire and what the filler wire mfg spec's.

These cover gasses can also be used for welding other metals.

T_Bone

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TonyD

09-07-2004 18:45:50




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 Re: Am I reading this right? in reply to Loren, 09-07-2004 18:09:48  
Hi Loren. Take it from me, someone who has gone from the bottom to the Top. The reason your shop is running Co2. is COST!!!!! !!!! Yes that is the reason for the story. In my mind, if you claim to be a welder, you have said a mouth full, and look out!! There is more to being a welder than just knowing how to pull the trigger or strike an arc. I cannot begin to tell you how many certified welders I have fired in my career, because they couldn�t do, or didn�t know. I had a certified welder tell me once that polarity was a wives tale, it did not matter what polarity you welded with. I could not get his check fast enough! I have worked all up and down the west coast, the only place I�ve been where the welder�s certification test also included a written test, was LA. When you get to the point in your career that you are running work, you want the most educated people you can find to surround your self with, makes life easier on you.

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Loren

09-07-2004 19:45:58




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 Re: Am I reading this right? in reply to TonyD, 09-07-2004 18:45:50  
"There is more to being a welder than just knowing how to pull the trigger or strike an arc." I hear that! I knew before I started getting paid for it that there was a lot more to it than zzzzz zzzzz zzzt, done. As I work along there is not an increasingly bigger percentage of the job that I have learned, just the opposite. I find more and more aspects of it that I don't know. Dang, should wrote the book the first month out!!! Knew almost all of it then. LOL
Just came across another question. Really don't want to sell the R3S and am wondering now about a phase converter. Good/bad idea? Loren.

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TonyD

09-08-2004 05:44:10




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 Re: Am I reading this right? in reply to Loren, 09-07-2004 19:45:58  
Hi Loren. The phase converter might work. I don�t know anybody who has set one up to run a welder, but right here is the place to ask. There are some people here that really seem to know phase converters. I have one in my shop. Phase-A-Matic, not sure it is what you would want to run a welder. Mine is the type you wire your own electric motor into. It is rated 8-12 hp. We used an old 10 hp motor in the system. According to the factory you are not to exceed � the hp of that motor. 10hp motor in the system = 5 hp piece of equipment. I built a 24-inch chop saw years ago, only motor I had was 7 hp 3-phase. That phase converter worked fine. If I had to do it all over I would buy the type that the motor is already in the system. I�ve seen them on eBay real cheap, brand new.

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