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Retired -1850 Diesel

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Wide Open

04-07-2004 06:18:15




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My neighbor lady is thinking of finally selling her equipment. Her husband used to farm until about 9 years ago when he was killed in a farm accident. She has hung on to all the equipment since then because it had a sentimental value to her. Well, anyhow, she informed me yesterday that she is finally ready to let the equipment go. Nothing has been touched in the last 9 years. In the shed she has a 1966 1850 Diesel. It has hydra/power, fender fual tanks, and some big ole 23.1x30 tires. The tractor is in really good condition. My question is: The thing has been sitting untouched for 9 years, and I was just wondering what kinda problems I might run into w/ a tractor that has been sitting that long? Besides the usual draining of the fuel, blowing out all lines, putting on new filters, changing all fluids, etc. Is there anything else that happens to these thing when the sit this long? I suppose some seals have dried out. It has been in a shed the whole time, and I can turn it over by hand, so it isn't stuck. Anything else I should be looking for on it?Thanks for any advice--Wide Open

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Adam Suess

04-07-2004 18:42:17




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 Re: Retired -1850 Diesel in reply to Wide Open, 04-07-2004 06:18:15  
I wounden't worry about the fuel much, Diesel keeps better than gas. Take a flash light and look in the tank unless you see somthing unusial I woulden't worry. You could put in some additive/conditioner. I bought a 77 diesel that had set out side for 10 years. A good battery started it right up with the fuel and ran good I did change the filter after driving it home. I would check for water in all the fluids including fuel. Losen all drain plugs untill a bit of oil drips out or if the case may be untill the water stops running. If it were me I'd check for water and make sure every thing is full then put a battery in and see what happens. be sure to watch the temp and make sure the thermostat opens. Good luck.

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Bob M

04-07-2004 10:39:04




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 Re: Retired -1850 Diesel in reply to Wide Open, 04-07-2004 06:18:15  
Here's a couple of experiences I had recently:

1 - My wife's dad's 1850 (gas) sat unused in a shed for about 5 years. After draining a VERY stale 3 gallon heel of gas from the tank, we dumped in fresh gas, replaced the old battery (which had frozen and split) and cranked her up. Took a while to get it to fire, then it ran rough at first - a couple valves obviously stuck. But after warming 10 minutes or so it settled down and ran fairly well. It required a carb rebuild to get it really running really good again.

Problems? Clutch - the disk had stuck fast to the flywheel and would not disengage. However by starting the tractor in gear, taking it out on the road (sparsely traveled!), then snap shifting it up thru the gears into 6 direct and jumping on the brakes, the clutch did suddenly break free. Tires - had some nasty flat spotting from sitting so long. However after airing them up then driving the tractor a couple miles on a hard road the flat spots gradually went away. Other - Had a few minor leaks power steering, fuel filter bowl, etc. when first run. But they pretty much dissappeared after a few hours of use - I presume as the seals became wetted in use.

2 - A couple years ago I purchased an old Kenworth 10 wheeler (Cummins 855 diesel). It had been parked outside for at least 4 years - maybe longer. After checking the fluids and determining the 50 gallons or so of fuel left in the tank did not have algae, we replaced the fuel filter and stuck in fresh batteries. Then disconnected the fuel solenoid at the pump and cranked the engine until oil pressure showed on the gage. Finally we reconnected the fuel solenoid and cranked her again. To my surprise and great delight it started right up and ran fine. Had some initial troubles with sticky spring (parking) brakes that didn't want to release, but after we got those working I was able to drive the truck several miles home.

I would guess that if the 1850 you are looking at was reasonably cared for during it's working life, it'll not likely give you any major problems now. Hope it works out for you - the 1850 is a great tractor!!

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Sam M

04-07-2004 12:49:19




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 Re: Re: Retired -1850 Diesel in reply to Bob M, 04-07-2004 10:39:04  
I have heard "complaints " or comments that a problem with Olivers is , if they sat for any period of time over six months without being started the valves tended to stick . This comment was on tractors with Oliver made engine , rather than Perkins . Based on an Oliver 1850 I bought of about the same age , I would be concerned about engine seals and seals on hydra drive unit needing replacing just from basic age but replacing these is not that difficult if you have engine hoist and a little help getting the engine out and putting it back in . Also depending on how long tractor sat in one place i would be concerned about seals on rear axles and in brake housings . I agree clutch may be stuck and if park brake was left on brake pads may be bad as well .

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Bob M

04-07-2004 17:44:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Retired -1850 Diesel in reply to Sam M , 04-07-2004 12:49:19  
Sam - My experience has been tractors built in the 1940's and 50's with rawhide seals have a lot of problems with seals drying out and leaking as they get old. Later tractors fitted with synthetic seals (like the Oliver 1850) seem to be less troubled like this.

But you're right about the sticky valves! We've got 3 Olivers with Waukesha-built gas motors. If they sit for more than a few months you can always count on at least couple stuck valves. The good news is once they get running and warmed up the valves always seem to free up by themselves.

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Sam M

04-08-2004 07:26:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Retired -1850 Diesel in reply to Bob M, 04-07-2004 17:44:36  
Bob - All I was commenting on was my experience with an 1850 of about the same age I bought about 3 years ago which started leaking oil from a number of seals shortly after I bought it . The tractor was made in late 1966 or 1967 , was a one owner tractor and had been used so little it had right at 3000 hours when I bought it . The tractor still had the original air filter in it with a 1966 date stamp . The tractor had been used very little by the prior owner in the year or two before I bought it . I had the tractor about 6 months and the rear engine seal started leaking causing engine oil to leak out of the engine into the bell housing . Out came the engine and I replaced the front and rear engine seals . By the way , the rear seal on this engine is a two piece rope seal . Stupid me did not touch the hydradrive . About three months later the front seal on the hydradrive started leaking when the tractor was running . Out came the engine again , but this time I put in a new clutch and pressure plate and replaced both seals on the hydradrive while I had everything on the floor . You live and you learn . One seal on the rear axle of this tractor also started leaking after i bought it but it was not that much trouble to replace - just jack up the tractor, take the rear wheel off , remove a few bolts and install a new seal . Once I got all this work done the tractor has been a great tractor and well worth what i paid for it .

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Bob M

04-08-2004 16:12:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Retired -1850 Diesel in reply to Sam M, 04-08-2004 07:26:04  
Indeed Sam! I said the tractors with the newer seals are "less troubled by leaks" - not trouble free...

Our 1650 let go a brake shaft seal a couple years with the expected result. Now one of the rockshaft seals is leaking. And we've got a 1600 industrial with a Reverse-O-Torq transmission that leaks ATF at a furious rate once it warms up.

I know how it can go!!



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ShepFL with link

04-07-2004 07:14:05




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 Re: Retired -1850 Diesel in reply to Wide Open, 04-07-2004 06:18:15  
Here are some comments on my recent 1850 excursion. Sounds like the rig you are looking at is much better than what I found.

Also, query for 1850 in the archives, tons of stuff.

HTH



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