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Left lift rod too long?

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David Coe (MD)

10-19-2002 10:49:09




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Hi frieNds,

My New Holland dealer is pretty far away, and you guys are so close, so I hope you don't mind my asking: why is this lift rod so long (I'm just curious), and what do I have to buy to correct it?

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It is (apparently) New Holland part # 83924897, made in Canada. In an earlier discussion, Need length of 3-point lift rod, we decided the correct length (hole-to-hole) is about 20 1/4", while this one isabout 23" (unless I misunderstand what was being discussed and measured there).

I see no way of shortening this one -- the two parts are already screwed together all the way, as far as I can tell (but it's also rusted tight). Is this not a category I part? Do they come in different lengths? Is it too long because it was made in Canada ? ;)

I know I can replace the whole thing, but would it be possible just to replace the top (yoke) or the bottom (fork) to get the correct length?

And if I do replace the whole thing, any idea what kind of person might want a long one? :)

Thanks, as always.

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Dave OH

10-19-2002 23:53:07




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 Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to David Coe (MD), 10-19-2002 10:49:09  
I would break it loose so you can see if it is really bottoming out. If it is you could turn the shaft in a lath so it would go into the threaded part. And if needed cut some of the threaded part off so it does not bottom. Getting an original solid part is not that expensive, to replace the one that is too long. I have a solid one I would trade for your (too long) adjustable one. My 8N did not have an adjustable one when I bought it.
Dave OH lee@stratos.net

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Jerry/LA

10-19-2002 15:22:24




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 Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to David Coe (MD), 10-19-2002 10:49:09  
I saw on your second post that the right hand adjustable lift rod appeared to be unscrewed a majority of the way, is it possible you could interchange the lower portion of the rods?? Just a suggestion!! Jerry



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Jim Mich.

10-19-2002 16:28:50




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 Re: Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to Jerry/LA, 10-19-2002 15:22:24  
I would love to have an adjustable lift rod when I am using my slip scoop for ditching.
When I get to a certain depth with the ditch I can not go any deeper. A lift rod that I could lengthen a couple inches would give me about twice as much in depth.
Jim



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David Coe (MD)

10-19-2002 15:36:09




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 Re: Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to Jerry/LA, 10-19-2002 15:22:24  
I haven't tried that, and it might solve the problem on the left side, but would worsen the problem on the right side which is already just a bit too long even when screwed all the way in (it's in its current position to match the length of the left one).

But maybe I can get a bottom fork like the right-hand one to use on the left side; that might work. Thanks for the suggestion.



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Dell (WA)

10-19-2002 12:31:08




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 Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to David Coe (MD), 10-19-2002 10:49:09  
David..... ..... .what you are showing is usually the R/H liftrod WITHOUT the gearbox. (that is what goes where the flat spot is on the big tube. The L/H liftrod is usually a 1-piece rod.

You CAN USE the adjustable lift rod in the lefthand position if you want to. Normally, the R/H liftrod is adjustable for plowing adjustment because the R/H wheels usually travel in the bottom of the plow furrow AND you want your plowshare to cut the soil with a vertical kurf.

I see the ringmark on the shaft which is normally adjusted to the end of the outer black sleeve, this should make your lift arm the correct length. You should be able to adjust your liftarm by screwing it up into the outer sleeve even without the gearbox. Normally, you have about +/- 4" of gearbox adjustment range..... ...Dell

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don b

10-20-2002 18:03:18




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 Re: Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to Dell (WA), 10-19-2002 12:31:08  
I believe he has cat.2 parts.Correct parts are available for adjustable left side arm. don



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David Coe (MD) -- Still confused

10-19-2002 13:44:33




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 Re: Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to Dell (WA), 10-19-2002 12:31:08  
Dell,
Thanks, but I'm still confused.

Here's a view from a different angle (looking from what would be the front/bottom of the rod when installed), along with a view of the right-side adjustable one still on the tractor (which may or may not be its true counterpart):

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I suppose the left one could have originally been an adjustable one, but does that mean the crank would have been at the bottom? The fork is just wide enough to attach to the lift arm, so I don't think it was made to go the other way.

And the length, if I were to screw it in to the ringmark, would still be about 2 1/2" too long; similarly the right one, when cranked to its shortest position, is still just a little over 20 1/4" long hole to hole. The other reason I think they're too long is my lift arms practically drag on the ground (1/4" clearance from a flat floor) when lowered all the way, but I guess something else could be adjusted wrong.

So, is the 20 1/4" hole-to-hole length previously measured by a couple of people correct? And, if so, what were these longer ones (or just the right one, if the left one was a hodge-podge of leftover parts) made for? (And does anybody want them???)

Thanks again!

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P.S. . . . Dell (WA)

10-19-2002 12:45:49




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 Re: Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to Dell (WA), 10-19-2002 12:31:08  
David..... ....almost all the needed repair parts, including gearbox, are availble..... ...Dell



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CJ/Mich

10-19-2002 11:10:58




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 Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to David Coe (MD), 10-19-2002 10:49:09  
I just went out and measured mine at "20 3/4 hole center to center on my 51 8N- maybe the half inch is play. It looks like you have a threaded shaft there? mine's 1-piece.
If you could remove material on the shaft to below the thread height by grinding you could (hopefully) spin it in further. If you had access to the correct sized die you could just extend the threads also.



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CJ/Mich

10-19-2002 11:05:10




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 Re: left lift rod too long? in reply to David Coe (MD), 10-19-2002 10:49:09  
I just went out and measured mine at "20 3/4 hole center to center on my 51 8N- maybe the half inch is play. It looks like you have a threaded shaft there? mine's 1-piece.
If you could remove material on the shaft to below the thread height by grinding you could (hopefully) spin it in further. If you had access to the correct sized die you could just extend the threads also.



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