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Dick L

08-24-2006 11:41:42




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What I should have said in the beginning was you must let silicone set up before adding pressure. I think it says something to that affect on the package or at least I was givin that information when Tag was a pup. You are correct in saying that if all surfaces are correct you do not need anything. That is how we had to look at reassembly when all we used was grease on a gasket. In saying that, how many non mechanics will know when both surfaces are correct enough for a gasket to seal properly by its self. When that happens the market for the silly cone will disapear.
How many times have you read where someone is installing rings and does not understand what ring gap is or why it is important.

Any engine I rebuild and assemble will have silly cone on most all gaskets and on tear down you will not find where it has contaminated the inside of the engine.

I am assembling an engine at preasent and will see if I can get Dixie to took a pitcher as she would say.{:^D

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kwahl1

08-24-2006 15:44:47




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 Re: Basically I Dont Disagree in reply to Dick L, 08-24-2006 11:41:42  
Opps. What ring gap? I should of asked that in the othe post



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Dick L

08-24-2006 18:21:44




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 Pictures To Help Later in reply to kwahl1, 08-24-2006 15:44:47  
Ok fella, dont take offense to what I was banterin about with Butch. Every one has to start some where and I had very good teachers back in the 1950"s that took time and show me and answer these kinds of questions. If you can give me a few days I will take my camera out to the shop and took some pitchers( as my Oki wife calls em) to show you what that means.
In the mean time here is a picture of a piston with stuck rings that I took out of a tractor and what you see is improperly installed rings and that is because the ring gap (space between the ends of the rings) was not stagered. I install rings with the ring gap 1/3 turn to each ring as I go down. I install rings bottom ring first and then the next one up. I then oil them dripping with motor oil and then stager the rings. Before I install any rings I first place them 1/4 ways down the sleeve with a piston to make sure they are in square and then measure the (ring gap)(space between the rings) with a feeler gage.

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kwahl1

08-25-2006 19:42:34




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 Re: Pictures To Help Later in reply to Dick L, 08-24-2006 18:21:44  
Dick L
Thanks for the pitchers (Oki) I haven"t got the rings yet but will refer back to this great tip. What you using to compress the ring to measure the ring gap? Hose clamp? Or a device like the small engine guys use? Got to find out about the sleeves. Someone suggested I replace the sleeves and I"m not sure how to do that. Knock from the bottom thru the top? Special tools? oversize? New pistons?

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Butch(OH)

08-24-2006 19:15:52




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 Re: Pictures To Help Later in reply to Dick L, 08-24-2006 18:21:44  
Dick, them rod nuts is either 1/2 or 9/16. I gotta socket wrench you can borrow too.

so you dont need to fetch that K-mart cresent wrench next time, Hee hee.



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