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where to get Persian Orange?

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Dave

05-24-2004 15:12:02




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I went to the Agro/ allis dealer this week end to buy paint. They wanted something like $43.00 a quart for enamel paint. Where do you guys buy your paint? I'm not a collector, but still want to have it look orginal. I'm on a budget so I did not want ot have $200 in paint supplies.

Appreciate your responses

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Barry Coble

06-05-2004 20:20:49




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 Re: where to get Persian Orange? in reply to Dave, 05-24-2004 15:12:02  
Dave;

BEWARE!! There are 2 Persian Orange colors. Persian Orange #1 was used up to 1960, when the D15 became the first Allis to wear Persian Orange #2. That year the cream-colored wheels also were new. If your tractor is pre-'60 please paint it right! I saw a WD45 diesel at a show that was flawless--except it was orange #2. Screwed the whole thing up. Also, in the early '70s Allis went to 'Corporate Orange' which had more red than Persian Orange #2. Ditzler makes Persian Orange #1 in acrylic enamel. Most other 'Allis Orange' commercial paints are Persian Orange #2. Hope this helps.

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Rich,NJ

05-25-2004 20:25:33




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 Re: where to get Persian Orange? in reply to Dave, 05-24-2004 15:12:02  
I went a little crazy looking for it too. I gave up and used Benj. Moore, Allis Chalmers paint at about $25.bucks a gallon. Close but no cigar. Then I discovered Krylon Farm and Implement paint # 1820 in spray cans. This was the closest match so far. So I brush on the Ben Moore for a orange undercoat. Sand it, and put my final coat on with the Krylon. This is a 1938 B. Maybe some day they'll have a exact match for the Persian Orange that was used on these tractors. Until then, I've left the inside of the of the PTO pulley the original color. Rich

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Ed

05-25-2004 19:44:58




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 Re: where to get Persian Orange? in reply to Dave, 05-24-2004 15:12:02  
i've been to alot of tractor shows and i've seen at least 15 shades of persian orange #1. I'm restoring a 43 "C" right now and i'm just using BPS allis orange from TRACTOR SUPPLY , it comes in quarts, gallons, and spray cans



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Rod (NH)

05-24-2004 16:18:08




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 Re: where to get Persian Orange? in reply to Dave, 05-24-2004 15:12:02  
Hi Dave,

That's an outrageous price for any enamel and I would doubt that the version carried by AGCO would be considered a "high end" paint by any means. I would forget AGCO on that. Check out PPG if you have a local dealer in their automotive paint lines. Check with where your local bodyshops get their paint. PPG's OMNI line of enamels and urethanes are very cost effective for their quality. If you are looking for the early persian orange (#1, so called) it would be OMNI MAE 60080 in acrylic enamel and OMNI MTK 60080 in acrylic urethane. Two years ago I got OMNI MTK 60080 for about $54/ ready-to-spray gallon. See this post for my cost breakdown. If you are looking for the later persian orange (#2, so called) then just change the number to 60396 instead of 60080. here's a visual color comparison between the two and an original PO #1 painted part. The comparison was done with MAE rather than MTK but the relative color shades would be the same. Two years ago the MAE was about $12-$13 per quart.

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Keith-OR

05-24-2004 22:01:39




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 Re: Re: where to get Persian Orange? in reply to Rod (NH), 05-24-2004 16:18:08  
Here the color codes for Allis Chalmers paint.

Persian Orange #1: Ditzler PPG now called Del Star-DAR60080: Martin-Senour-99L3723; Martin-Senour-90R-3723; TISCO-TP280; Dupont-DULUX 008DH;
Dupont-008 OR.
I just bought some ditzler couple weeks ago. Paint(2 qts), thinner and hardner $56.00

Hope this helps, Keith



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Loon Yi

05-25-2004 23:21:14




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 Re: Re: Re: where to get Persian Orange? in reply to Keith-OR, 05-24-2004 22:01:39  
What is the amount of hardener needed per gallon of paint?



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Keith

05-26-2004 21:49:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: where to get Persian Orange? in reply to Loon Yi, 05-25-2004 23:21:14  
All the info is on the paint cans, and if you aren't sure of the direction , you can ask the individuals at the paint store. Most are more than glad to give you all in info you need. If I do not understand something I always ask questions,which is cheaper than messing up good paint supplies



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steve

05-26-2004 15:13:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: where to get Persian Orange? in reply to Loon Yi, 05-25-2004 23:21:14  
amount of hardener depends on type of paint. the DAR takes a pint per gallon. I just used the upper level of PPG painton my truck. It is more of an epoxy and takes 50-50 mix paint and hardener.



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