Re: IHC plows

Posted by Hugh MacKay on March 15, 2006 at 13:38:43 from (64.228.11.121):

In Reply to: Re: IHC plows posted by Bill, in Ontario on March 15, 2006 at 10:03:53:

Bill: I've driven here to Hogtown often enough, I knew when you said 2 hours southwest of Toronto you had to be right in there somewhere. I almost said south of straight line between Woodstock and London, then I got thinking about places like Embro and Hickson.

There are a few items about these plows yet unanswered, your being rather generous in your accessment of us. I find your comparison of the Ace bottom and your John Deere Scotch bottom rather interesting. Over the years I have been quite familiar with IH, Massey and Cockshutt plows, however have never been around John Deere plows very much. It would be very reasonable to believe Deere was in the pack for that Eastern Canadian market. I would expect Ford and Ferguson probably had it as well.

I'd like to explore that comparison between Ace and Deere Scotch bottoms a bit more. As MJ said, he and I had a rather good discussion about the history of these plows some months back. At that time I was giving the Europeans credit for Ace bottoms, while MJ pointed out to me, it was IH who manufactured these plows at Hamilton and introduced it to them in England. That in itself is rather unusual, when a 5th generation Canadian Scot and an Englishman calling Great Britain home try to give each other credit for the same idea or invention. Virtually unheard of in farming circles anyhow. That long, narrow curve is what made these plows so great in stony ground. They would slide by a stone very easily without catching. That is definately something any good Scotsman learned to tolerate.

We definately don't know it all Bill, I for one would like to know more about the history and background of these plow bottoms. I don't think it was a case of IH, Massey and Cockshutt buying these bottoms from an outside supplier called Ace. My neighbor down the road tells me his Massey and my IH, Ace moldboards will not interchange. It would then be reasonable to believe Ace held the patent and collected royalties from several foundries. I'm willing to bet there are oldtimers that have followed the IPM through the years, who probably know this bit of history.

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