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Re: Ford 5000 hydraulic system


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Posted by Superturbodiesel on February 02, 2011 at 15:01:02 from (69.207.64.47):

In Reply to: Ford 5000 hydraulic system posted by IBorange in TX on January 31, 2011 at 15:20:10:

Rick,

Hmmm, well at the moment I really couldn't tell you where to plumb for the pressure and return ports on your 5000 for an additional remote loader control valve.

I'd have to go do some looking on our 5610 tractor to get an idea. Problem is, she's about 10+ miles from me, in a barn that's not really accessible due to the weather this time of year. (She's hibernating for the winter.)

It's too bad your local "Ford" dealer can't (or won't) help you. No surprise though. As guys move on, retire, die off, etc... so does a lot of knowlege in the Ag world. Modern times make "us" stupid. Our mechanics nowadays don't know 1/2 of what guys like me and certainly before me knew. (And let me tell ya, I know a lot, but I sure don't know everything.) That's one GREAT thing about the internet and these forums... Lots of information to be shared!

Anyway... at this particular time, the best I can tell you is that you MAY be able to find where your rear hydraulic remotes get their feed from and either find an available unused port in the vicinity, or possibly you can "T" into one of the supply lines that feed the rear remotes. HOWEVER, I don't know if that is even possible without an additional ported cover (aka: "power beyond") plate, as Tx Jim had just mentioned. A GOOD Ford (New Holland) parts guy should be able to help you out with getting what you need.

It may be worthwhile to post your question on the "FORD" forum here on YT and pick their brains, as I'm not a Ford "expert" like some of the guys here may very well be. Clue me in here if you do so, as I'd be interested in their opinions as well.

Oh, one last thing that I just thought of... Your Ford has an OPEN-CENTER hydraulic system. Therefore, be 100% certain that the 2-spool loader control valve that you use is set up as an open center valve.

Most good loader control valves nowadays come as "convertible" valves - meaning they can be used either way, simply by unscrewing and changing from an open port to a plug (internally, on the inlet or pressure side of the valve) if needed.

It seems that most aftermarket control valves are built as open-center units. More often than not, you have to specify or order the closed-center plug seperate to convert the valve from open to closed, if you had - say, an 'older Deere. It's been a while, but I think a conversion plug for making an open-center Cross 2-spool loader control valve into a closed-center one cost me around $20 bucks back about 10 - 15 years ago.

Many of the older Utility and Row-Crop John Deere's of the 1960's, '70's, '80's, and 1990's had closed center hydraulic systems. Seems many manufacturers that had used closed-center hydraulic systems in the past have gone back to Open-Center pumps, as the technology has gotten better, and open-center systems are cheaper to build, repair, and seem to be more "universalized" if you ask me.

Using a closed-center hydraulic valve on your Ford 5000 tractor would eventually destroy your hydraulic pump by creating a "dead-heading" situation.

Sorry this post got a little long... but just a "heads-up" that you want to be fully aware of.

Andy


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