Posted by trucker40 on January 29, 2010 at 13:12:23 from (69.149.165.244):
In Reply to: Re: Welding question posted by 135 Fan on January 29, 2010 at 11:20:19:
While you know a lot about welding,most of us arent in Canada.Most of us arent welding stuff like you are.I get mad at you when you try to throw that bias in there about stick when its wrong.I see you do know there is stronger welding processes than 7018.Actually you probably are a real good welder for what you do,Im not even disputing that.
There is a real need for welding that you do.Yet its wrong when you say that stuff about stick.I know from experience of welding on farm machinery with MIG and 7018 that MIG is better.MIG will take more vibration before it cracks on the steel used in newer farm machinery.To even make 7018 work on farm machinery you need to be a very good welder.Not many people are what you could consider a very good welder.Also they arent ever going to have to get any tickets to weld their stuff.Turning the welder up real high and burning it in is a big mistake on farm machinery.It almost is certain to result in a crack beside the weld using 7018.Im not even the best or most experienced welder around,I can get by.I wonder how I would know that turning it up hot will make it crack?Experience. I keep away from saying weld everything with 6011 because its wrong.However if you can run 6011 it might be better to weld it with that than 7018 if you arent a good welder.Ive seen that too.A 6011 weld hold something 7018 wouldnt without cracking. Yeah you know about welding.I am not going to tolerate your snide remarks or giving misinformation though.I am not way out in left field,I know what Im talking about.I may not know all of the stuff you do about your kind of welding,but I am getting tired of correcting your misinformation. I dont care what school you go to,or how much you think you know,or even how many books you read.All of that is fine.Nothing wrong with it at all.However you dont give an unbiased opinion.You are misled by your assumption that because Canada does something about MIG welding that I doubt even happens in the USA that makes your opinion about MIG welding true.Canada has its reasons Im sure,but that means about nothing in welding farm machinery and cars.I could care less what Canada says about MIG welding or any of your tickets.Im sure you are proud of your accomplishments,but it still does not mean you are right,or even more knowledgeable about MIG welding than lots of other people are.Im fairly sure cars and farm machinery welded in Canada are MIG welded.Go over to a factory building machinery and tell them it all would be better off welded with 7018 stick and see what they tell you.
MIG is not the best choice for every kind of welding,I dont dispute that.MIG is better for newer farm equipment.The biggest reason I ever heard for that is because it doesnt heat the metal up as much.That is a big deal in things that vibrate,and not even that noticeable in stuff that just sets there.
Especially Diesel engines vibrate and MIG weld holds up better in those conditions.Also the alloy has something to do with it,and other reasons that I dont remember.
There is no doubt there are things that are better welded with stick 7018.Farm machinery and body work on cars are 2 things that arent better welded with 7018.Plus there are lots of other things that MIG will do just as good maybe better. 7018 done right is a fine way to weld.But its not the only or the best way to weld everything.I would even say its the second best way to weld most things people weld at home,and that is only if they know what they are doing.For beginners or people who dont know much about welding 6011 could be better for them.
Now Im not trying to make you mad.Im just getting tired of this what I can only describe as misinformation.You have a notion that welding with a 7018 stick is better and want to make everybody else believe it.Nobody at a school told you that,you came up with it in your delusional mind.Since that is the way preferred in your profession you think its the best,and nobody told you that in school either.
If you want to split hairs and look at everything from your point of view you might make an assumption that 7018 is better all the time.However its just not.The excess heating of the metal with stick is a big deal.Then besides that there are lots of other reasons.Somebody that uses 6011 all the time could make the assumption that 6011 is a better rod to use than 7018 too.In some cases he would be right too.
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