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Re: Well theres why it wont start


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Posted by trucker40 on March 02, 2009 at 19:38:00 from (69.149.218.153):

In Reply to: Re: Well theres why it wont start posted by Lanse on March 02, 2009 at 18:27:29:

Ok if you are certain its not the timing,fine.Where is the carb for this tractor?Why dont you have the carb for this tractor on it?An Allis C is quite a bit bigger of a tractor,maybe its too much gas?If you take a carburetor off of anything,and put it on something else,it will need some adjusting.It might run,but probably not very good.If this carb will work,you might need to clean it up for it to work right.
Now maybe you didnt want to go all into it,and show every bit about the timing,but you still dont show where the rotor is pointing when the number one piston is TDC.You can be at TDC on the exhaust stroke,and have your wire on number one and be half way or 180 degrees out of time.However it didnt sound halfway out when you were pulling it.
Dont get discouraged,If the mag fires the plugs,thats all it has to do.Now it seems you have a lot of room to adjust it,but you can be a tooth off,at least you can on a distributor usually.Maybe you have a slot it fits in,I dont know,but you still might be off a tooth one way or the other.Maybe not if you didnt move any of the gears.Except if you had to put the mag on,are you sure its on in the place it is supposed to be,rotor just past number one lug on TDC?I dont know a lot about a mag,but I know enough about a gas motor to say if that mag is firing the plugs,its probably not your problem.It still is either timing or your carb,or both.So one more time,in respect to your video,you show the plug wires in the right order,good.You show in the other video the piston up(I guess)GOOD!Yet you still do not show the rotor pointing past the number one lug.Ill take your word for it if you checked it,but dont assume anything.If it is in a gear that turns the mag,if its one tooth off,it might not run.Distributors are like that,one tooth,wont usually run,thats how important the position of that rotor is.I dont know much about a tractor like yours.I am not there to see with my own eyes whats going on to have a better opinion.However,in all the years I was a mechanic I have worked on lots of motors with a distributor and on cars they usually have an automatic transmission so you cant pull start them usually.I always got them started by the second or 3rd time I checked the timing.I one time got a motor started on the floor of the shop with a coffee can for a carburetor with holes punched in the bottom of it for a little gas to run through,and it didnt take all day.
Sometimes after rebuilding a motor you can have the valves adjusted wrong and think they are closed,but they actually should be open,and time it to that and be half way out.I just recently worked on a big truck,went to set the valves after changing a head gasket,and the first 2 valves had been adjusted wrong,intake set at exhaust clearance,exhaust set at intake clearance.It ran for a bunch of miles like that.
I dont think you need to choke your motor to pull start it.If you are sure its timed right,hook your choke wide open.Soak a rag with gas and tie it over the carb intake(if you have a fire extinguisher you may want to carry it with you until you see what happens)pull it.It should start fairly quick if everything is right,maybe run 30 seconds or so until it sucks all the gas out of the rag.If that works,you have a carb problem.Thats about as good as I can do without knowing more about whats happening.Be careful.It could suck the rag inside of the motor if you dont do it right.I almost dont want to tell you this,so tie it on there good maybe use a hose clamp or plastic tie so it cant get inside the motor.Probably a good idea to turn the gas off to the carb if you do this with the rag,then if it runs maybe try turning the gas on and see if it will run.Dont sweat it too bad,most people dont get timing right the first time.I didnt,neither has anybody I ever saw try the first time fire it right up.I just helped a kid rebuild the 4 cylinder motor in his Mustang,that doesnt even have a distributor,and he had 2 wires crossed and it wouldnt start,gas filter was plugged too,and he was trying to set the timing on the exhaust stroke which put the cam timing mark 180 degrees out.Looked the firing order up on the internet,changed 2 wires,turned cam half way around,put belt on and fired it up in less than 30 minutes.


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