Re: OT: china junk

Posted by RN on February 15, 2009 at 12:09:58 from (75.128.248.96):

In Reply to: OT: china junk posted by larry cook on February 14, 2009 at 22:39:34:

Lots of comments. I"ll add a couple- Japanese industry started using an American industrial control practice developed by a guy named Deming in early 60s or so, Toyota was a user that got good results and used more of Deming protocals- as in the just in time inventory , numerical quality control standards on assembly. Japanese industrial groups and government gave Deming award and cash, have a annual tophy/award named after him for their manufactures. Taiwan and Korea were Japanese colonies before WW@ and were developed some by Japanese, retained some industrial links and had some of their people educated in Japan- they kept in touch with the Japanese manufacturers and when they started developing higher quality parts the Japanese did some subcontracting with their old school buddies in Taiwan and Korea. The implementation of a "American" process in Taiwan and Korea after american military help was social acceptable and resulted in better products and some extra cash for home use- the need for American standard spare parts for the military equipment led to inch standard instead of metric standard equipment available and knowledge of the American patterns and tools. After making some extra spare parts the shops had some extra time and capacity for civilian export activity- the workers and equipment set up for inch standard logically looked to American market as reasonable choice to sell some extra oil filters, tool sets, bearings, small appliances at a bit of profit. Quality was acceptable for many light use retail apps- their own military wanting locally produced higher quality parts helped lead to higher quality parts for civilian sales, the taiwan military warantee policy of "make a bad part that gets someone killed and you die next" led to carefull assembly of extra civilian market parts, finish might not have been the best but metalwork met the american spart parts standards. The cheapest civilian sales goods of poorer quality were also made- the workers knew it, the store purchasers knew it and most customers knew it- but the cheapies held up long enough to do a couple jobs as needed- this was good enough to make a profit (and for some military use like one shot mortar bombs that were to be expended). The Union contract health and retirement benifits in US were good but more like policy of late 1800" Germany started under Bismark- they post WW2 social benefits in Japan, Taiwan, Korea mixed worker benefits from work with government provided health and pension plans of 1920/30s socialits- manufacturers paid in once to government instead of being stuck with future liabilities. In return government didn"t have political problems of activists union getting vote against them. This is same advantage of Canadian made American brand cars- the GM examples note about a $1800.00 per car worker expense advantage over American made car- both made by union workers in same basic UAW union-the Canadian government provides the health care. China mainland manufacturers are going hrough same process that Korea and Taiwan went through 20 years back-- as noted a Chinese rifle is quite functional, the $59.00 probable type 56 copy of Russian M91 Nagant shoots as good or better than the $250.00 30-30, matchs the basic .308 ballisticly and is no big loss if falls out of back of hunting truck- results in higher sales of old surplus that had inspector and worker making reliable, functioanl rifle just to keep from getting shot for making bad ones- worker attitudes carry over to the civilian jobs many times. Consumer goods sold at Walmart are meant to meet a price level,the quality is acceptable at that level, some of it is sold locally in China to workers who buy it and believe it is good enough for them for daily use while the higher party bosses get imports from Europe or Japan. Have fun with these remarks. RN

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