Re: OMG - Pesticide Prices

Posted by paul on September 08, 2022 at 12:01:47 from (66.60.196.195):

In Reply to: Re: OMG - Pesticide Prices posted by Traditional Farmer on September 08, 2022 at 08:42:42:

You and I often but heads on topics like this, I hope you enjoy the conversations and often times I think we are closer to the same than different. Just looking at things from a different perspective.

I agree folk could feed themselves if they gave up yoga and sports and just spent a little time on a garden on their lawn. Gardens usually do well enough they could share with people that dont have lawns and a lot of people would get food. If anyone wanted to be neighborly and work together.

But it looks like people really dont want to do that. They rather go to the gym and the sports...... and not talk to the neighbors.

If we dont use fertilizer, there isnt enough manure created to fertilize our crops. Most organic setups start with good land and then import manure or kelp from other land, and tell us they are sustainable. Sounds good, but it doesnt work.

If we export meat or dairy or crop, we need to replace those in the soil. Nitrogen can be grown, but that takes time and sun and water, so it still decreases the overall crop production. P, K and the macro and micro nutrients have to be replaced from somewhere.

Generally organic sustainable systems, whatever that really means, produce less food per acre than conventional farming. So, you need more acres to grow the same crops to feed people.

We could get around some of that. But people talk about it, thry dont want to do it.

So I dont see where that path goes. Ends up a lot of hot air, but no results.

I think its great some folks have the wealth and opportunity to buy organic stuff if they want, and certainly neighbors sharing a garden is a wonderful thing. For, unfortunately, the few that wish to do so. Im glad we have an open system that allows people choices.

Since I use a coop elevator that actually receives a fair amount of organic bulk grains, I see the grain as it comes from the fields. They load trains and ship often to organic chicken feeders, as well as others.

In general, that organic corn is weed filled, dusty, shriveled, poor testing from the look of it. You know, the conventional side also has its bad years and can be a mix of poor stuff too. But year in and year out, the organic stuff tends to be much worse.

I think the direct sales organic folk do a lot better, thry have to. And certainly one can have great organic results! I bet your fields look cleaner then mine, we had a tough year here for weed control.......

Anyhow, I love sharing garden stuff with my neighbors, Im not concerned about organic or not.I sure wouldnt want to eat at a Chipotles or other mass market organic place, as I see the quality, or lack of it, for what they get....... Phewie!

Its a big world out there. Customers are all ways right, but they want no fuss, fast food, that keeps them skinny and fit and tastes great and is cheap. Oh, and if you ask they want it organic too, but they dont really even know that that means.

So, we see the world a little different. Not bad or good, or right or wrong. Just different.

Paul

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• Re: OMG - Pesticide Prices Traditional Farmer 12:29:52 09/08/22 (0)

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