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Re: coywolves......just learned something


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Posted by Bret4207 on January 03, 2020 at 07:29:58 from (207.42.20.149):

In Reply to: coywolves......just learned something posted by glennster on January 02, 2020 at 16:27:25:

I'm about 10 miles inland from the St Lawrence River in Northern NY. I lost over 60 sheep and goats in one year to our local coyotes. I've shot and trapped these animals and they will go over 50 lbs on occasion. We ended up having to get guard dogs, Pyrenees/Marema crosses and pure Pyrs. We also have to use electronet fence. They have little fear of anything when they are hungry. Our NYS DEC finally accepted that we do indeed have a resident coyote population about 30 years ago. About 5 years back they finally admitted they have a given amount of wolf DNA which is thought to be responsible for their pack hunting habits. Just a couple years back DEC finally put it in print that it was okay to shoot a coyote out of season if it was harassing livestock/pets. We don't have any wolves in Northern NY, but a pack of coyotes will take out a sick or injured cow/horse sized animal. A lamb/goat kid or young calf is easy pickings. They'll take a healthy adult sheep or goat if there are at least 2 of them. I'm pretty sure one coyote can handle an adult goat or smaller breed sheep, but I've never seen absolute proof of it. We shoot on sight year round up here.

One of the habits of canines is that that will breed out of their specific sub species. Yes, wolves will kill coyotes and coyotes will kill dogs. But a coyote can successfully breed with a dog and wolf with a coyote. I think it requires unusual circumstances for that to happen though.

As far as trusting DEC/DNR/scientists- Our DEC and scientists told us for decades we weren't seeing coyotes. They said the same thing about Moose, turkeys in the Adirondacks, Bald Eagles and Mountain Lions. I had a professor from SUNY with a bunch of his students on the road in front of my home one day. I went over and asked what they were doing and the Prof says they are working on a Ruffed Grouse survey. I mentioned I had heard a Grouse drumming in our woods just that morning. The Prof laughed and said, "Grouse don't drum this time of year!" He left off the "You ignorant, lying, moron!" that I'm sure he was thinking. All his little college student sycophants snickered and giggled at his statement of FACT. Right about then the Grouse started drumming again. The Prof. got red in the face when I told him he should let the Grouse know he shouldn't be drumming this time of the year. He and his band of admires got back in the van and left the area. My point is that "experts" aren't always all that expert and that sometimes they don't know what they don't know. Add to that that if they (NYS DEC) admit a population of an animal exists, then a management plan has to be established, at great cost, for that animal. That's why NYS DEC refuses to acknowledge the possibility of anything but a transient population of Mountain Lion exists in NYS.


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