Re: A little heavy

Posted by The tractor vet on October 31, 2017 at 18:28:49 from (104.179.81.68):

In Reply to: Re: A little heavy posted by ss55 on October 31, 2017 at 12:11:09:

and for years running a semi Dump your just filled the wagon and went , most times you had no idead of how much you had on till ya crossed the scales at the other end . when loading in a strip mine there were no scales and today since it has been dry for a month and a half the coal was running light but over the weekend it rained everyday and the mine is flooded and takes them a day to pump it out so on Tuesday you go in and put six eight buckets on depending on what they are loading with and now instead of just a 10000 your now at 150 or 160000 . same with grain you pull into one field and it is running 17% and you pull out with a 1000 bushle and your 58-60 , next field is running at 24 % same trailer filled the same and your now looking at 67- 70 grand . Ya know who really set the weight limits on truck ???ya know , do you really know ?? bet not Do you know who bought the sacles for the states to weigh trucks. ??? Getting a truck for a job is not like going to the car lot and say oh i like that color . this is what most farmers did when looking for a grain truck they bought what was CHEAP and NOT rated for the job . Back when ya could afford to buy a new truck each and every truck i bougut was speced. to me and ORDERED . When i bought my new semi i sat there with the BIG BOOK looking at EVERYTHING Frame , steering axle , rear drive axles Back then it was Springs as air ride was still just coming out and what you cold get was limited and it was not suited for OFF road . Gear ratio's transmission Engine every inch of the truck was Built on paper for the job at hand . even today if i was setting up a straight truck for grain hauling it would be built to do the job a lot safer then 98 % of what is out there . Myself i have the expereance and the knolage of hauling big loads and a vary safe and only one speeding ticket . I am 71 and have been hauling big stuff since i was 17 . I have also trained a lot of new comers way before the new modren age of the socalled truck driver training schools . And the ones i have trained have not rolled run over or wrecked a truck. My wife friend 's husban needed a job and i trained him pulling a bucket hauling heavy and today he is the top driver for a super load carrier moving loads excedding 3/4 of million pounds . In the real world not everyting is black and white , not every truck you see is dead on 80000 lbs to fit your small world . same as i see on here with guys wanting to hual a tractor on a 7000 lb trailer beind a 1/2 and load a as per shipping weight 6500 lb tractor , Shipping weight is DRy weight not live weight . in 1963 where i worked the big boss got me a new tonka toy and it was a D9G cat Shipping weight was a little over 45 ton (bare tractor ) No fluids , no cab , no 14 foot semi U dozer with tilt and no three shank paribolic ripper and it came into our siding by rail and all fluids and batterys had to be put in before it was fired up and drive off the rail car, then the rest went on , Oh and guess what we hauled in behind a 1957 B60 Mack with a gas burner on a fifty ton tandem Rodgers lowboy fully dressed , from one big job to the next , NOw today ya would have to strip the blade remove the ripper drain almost all the fuel out and bring in 10 -12 axle to move it . You complain about the roads , yep the interstate system is a problem as from org. spec.'s to what went down is HALF what was org. called for . base and pavement thickness was cut back to reduce costs , base material was changed for speed of layen down the base and cut costs. I can show you better streets then what the interstate is . Same as epave jobs some of them are about the same as taaking a good spray gun and opening up and spraying the pavement on with , four years later it is coming up again . What you need to do is go spend some time driving and see how the not so perfect world of transportation is . Now here is another twist to your shorts , Say you need to move something that can not be easaly divisable and you can get it on five or six axles but either way your going to be over the 80 , Well all ya have to do is apply for and over weight permit and PAY MONEY and they will send you a little piece of paper sayen that your fine So now instead of 34000 on the drives and 12000 on the steering and 34 on the trailer tandem your now at 14500 on the steering and your now 44 grand on the drives and 44 on the tandem of the trailer . Now has the road changed for you to move this ?? did the truck and trailer change ?? , NO only thing that changed is you paid MONEY for a piece of paper . I personally moved the second largest Gradall from the plant to Neb and did it on 6 axles and this was after a soild month of companys coming in with 9to 12 axles and could not get it to axle out , took some talking to get them to allow 46 on the drives and 18 on the steering really wanted 20 but tire size held me back and 65 on the tri to make it i had to strip my extra chains and binger and all my ratchet strap and tarps and not fill the fulll 300 gallon of fuel That one required over width 15 foot 6 inches over hight here again over 15 foot and over weight . so what changed to move the load roads?? truck and trailer , JUSY three little pieces of paper and money .

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