A little heavy

grandaughter cut and loaded the truck, told her the rest of the field would fit on the truck, she came in
that nite said field is done and it all fit on the truck. took the truck to town the next day crossed the
scales at 144,000. about the third time that has happind and wont be the last, normaly haul around 100,000.
didnt think i had that many beans in the field, just increased the BPA. weather turned south and still got
200 ac beans to get off, then corn.

Are you in Michigan?

Paul

How big a trailer is that. We could get that on our semi unless we added 2 foot boards around top? Maybe can get to 100,000 if really topped off.

Joe

No pictures, it didn't happen. Unload as soon as you can and most evidence is gone.

Sounds like your crop did pretty good.

A local farmer here bought a humongous trailer, and then came to the County Board wanting us to reconfigure and rebuild the county roads to accommodate it. He also complained about his real estate taxes being too high in the same conversation. Where did he think the money was going to come from to rebuild all of the roads?

If you have enough axles under it you would still be legal in Mi.

Like many other things in life it's only a problem if you get caught.

must be one big trailer!. I had 105,000 on a 42' with 1400 bu of corn. Crossed scales at 95,000 with a 28' dump,1100 bu of corn.

A high sided 53' could haul that much.

Wow, we give farmers a break on the property taxes that pay for roads, we give them a break on truck license fees, we give them a break on weight limits, we give them a break on truck inspections, we give them a break on safety requirements and employee training and then they brag about abuses like this. I think this is a good example of why it's high time to eliminate the tax breaks and license fee breaks that we only give to farmers!

He was a little light for a set of gravel trains. They load 1800 bu on a set of super trains. If we had the 2-3 lift axles on or dump we could haul about that much legal in MI that would be with 5-6 axles on the trailer and 3 on the tractor. 36 foot long with 7 foot sides. 102 wide outside.

If and when corn gets to the point it never goes under ten dollars, beans never under $15, and milk never under $30, come back and talk to us about that. Any time you want to pay a NY farmers property tax, just say so. You will get a lot of takers on the offer.

Agreed, SS.

Dean

Ditto. gm

Ya know it does not take much to put a load on a truck , and with ag equipment always getting bigger and the bushel per acre keep going up removing the crop from the field can become a problem . The days of using a signal axle grain truck is about dead and gone . Even with them you load a 16 foot grain bed full and you have 320-365 bushel on and lets say that load of corn is runniing 67 lbs per bushel that is 24455lbs , now add that onto the truck light weight of say 12000 lbs that is 36455 lbs gross and most times the truck is only rated for 25-26000 so that truck is 10000 over . When i had my semi dump it was not hard to end up with 65-68000 in the trailer . out of the field , even when the corn was dry if you filled to the brim ya had 56-58000 on . First time a friend came down to help me haul corn off one farm he had a brand new 89 dodge W250 with a first out Cummins and a brand new Moritz grain trailer tri axle with the same bed as the 77 International 1600 Vernon's first load that crossed the scales was a gross of yep you gusseted it 36000 and change and the grain truck was just a shade under . Have any of you ever weighed a silage wagon ?? there is another one that will open your eyes . we live in and area that is NOT pool table flat and lots of small back roads with steep hills and light weigh bridges . A lot of you on here are sorta new comers to the farming thing and do not have any idea about what really happens in the real world . Loads move every day that are not the text book fairy tale load , you see on here guys usen 1/2 ton pick ups to pull trailers that over loads the hauling of the truck . Yes i am as guilty as the rest but i never used less then a 3/4 ton . Ran semi for years and you loaded the wagon if you wanted a pay check . Today it si get the most done in a day with the least amount of labor involved . In my massive HOBBY farming if i could shell 28 acres in a day with one person helping i had a good day , Two means of hauling but each load going out was over weight , no scales in the field to check .

144K? I wouldn't want to be driving that one when the diesel cops catch you. The just load the wagon mentality may bring the biggest pay check, but that like running red fuel on the road, getting nailed once will stick with you. I had a neighbor get tagged for red fuel in his semi hauling from field to elevator. They fined him $10K and road tax on 500 gallons. The following morning they showed up at the farm looking for 2 diesel pickups and a straight truck, all of which had red fuel in them. Over $40K just thrown away all in the name of saving about .50 cents a gallon

Most farm tags are licensed at 80,000 pounds maximum and farmers are often given a grace to 90,000 pounds. With a 30,000 pound truck and trailer that leaves a 50,000 pound legal load and another 10,000 pounds or 20 percent overload in the grace. That seems very reasonable to me and it should be easy law to abide.

At 144,000 pounds the load on the truck was 2 1/4 times the legal load or 125 percent overload. In any other legitimate business except farming the operator would have been given a shovel and been told to scoop off the overload by hand as a lesson to count how many combine dumps to put on the truck.

Reading between the lines it sounds like the boss instructed the operator to either stop when the truck was loaded or move to another truck. The operator did neither and the boss laughed it off. If the operator had driven the combine's unloading auger into a tree or power pole after being warned not to, instead of over-filling the truck after being warned not to, I doubt the boss would have laughed it off so easily.

As a tax payer, it's hard for me to understand why we should give tax breaks to blatant scofflaws.

Sure, punish 'em all for what a few do........

Here in my area some farmers that aren't familiar with trucks are buying coal trailers from eastern Ky and they will hold an unbelievable load of grain. One guy didn't know and the first load was about 2/3 full and he weighed 117000.. He now fills it a little over half full. Coal haulers get paid buy the ton and I have heard of tandems grossing 100,000 and semi's 140 or 150,000. These guys have to be seen to be believed.

Go hungry then

You don't want to farm, don't farm. You can't make money farming, don't farm. You don't like the laws, what few there are, that govern farming, don't farm. If you decide to keep farming, it's not in me or anyone else to look the other way while you break the laws -that we have to follow- because you think farming is an excuse.

Don't give me that "feeding the world" hooey, either. If it wasn't for the ethanol boondoggle, the crop insurance scam, and your wives with jobs in town, about 95% of the so-called farmers would have to get honest jobs and there'd be corn piled in the field.

(quoted from post at 19:08:03 10/31/17) You don't want to farm, don't farm. You can't make money farming, don't farm. You don't like the laws, what few there are, that govern farming, don't farm. If you decide to keep farming, it's not in me or anyone else to look the other way while you break the laws -that we have to follow- because you think farming is an excuse.

Don't give me that "feeding the world" hooey, either. If it wasn't for the ethanol boondoggle, the crop insurance scam, and your wives with jobs in town, about 95% of the so-called farmers would have to get honest jobs and there'd be corn piled in the field.

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Thank you... spot on

Mike the coal haulers in KY can buy legal license to gross 150K with the right equipment. I have two cousins that haul coal. They are legal up to 144K with their rigs. Only on certain roads during certain times.

I have never understood that. Here in Tennessee 80,000 is all you can license for with 5 axels. They will let natural rescores (logs, grain, grave) slide with a little more but to legally haul heavy equipment where we gorse 150,000+ we have 10 axel rights and permit ever load. Grain hauling wither from the field or the bin we just try to stick to 80,000

and for years running a semi Dump your just filled the wagon and went , most times you had no idead of how much you had on till ya crossed the scales at the other end . when loading in a strip mine there were no scales and today since it has been dry for a month and a half the coal was running light but over the weekend it rained everyday and the mine is flooded and takes them a day to pump it out so on Tuesday you go in and put six eight buckets on depending on what they are loading with and now instead of just a 10000 your now at 150 or 160000 . same with grain you pull into one field and it is running 17% and you pull out with a 1000 bushle and your 58-60 , next field is running at 24 % same trailer filled the same and your now looking at 67- 70 grand . Ya know who really set the weight limits on truck ???ya know , do you really know ?? bet not Do you know who bought the sacles for the states to weigh trucks. ??? Getting a truck for a job is not like going to the car lot and say oh i like that color . this is what most farmers did when looking for a grain truck they bought what was CHEAP and NOT rated for the job . Back when ya could afford to buy a new truck each and every truck i bougut was speced. to me and ORDERED . When i bought my new semi i sat there with the BIG BOOK looking at EVERYTHING Frame , steering axle , rear drive axles Back then it was Springs as air ride was still just coming out and what you cold get was limited and it was not suited for OFF road . Gear ratio's transmission Engine every inch of the truck was Built on paper for the job at hand . even today if i was setting up a straight truck for grain hauling it would be built to do the job a lot safer then 98 % of what is out there . Myself i have the expereance and the knolage of hauling big loads and a vary safe and only one speeding ticket . I am 71 and have been hauling big stuff since i was 17 . I have also trained a lot of new comers way before the new modren age of the socalled truck driver training schools . And the ones i have trained have not rolled run over or wrecked a truck. My wife friend 's husban needed a job and i trained him pulling a bucket hauling heavy and today he is the top driver for a super load carrier moving loads excedding 3/4 of million pounds . In the real world not everyting is black and white , not every truck you see is dead on 80000 lbs to fit your small world . same as i see on here with guys wanting to hual a tractor on a 7000 lb trailer beind a 1/2 and load a as per shipping weight 6500 lb tractor , Shipping weight is DRy weight not live weight . in 1963 where i worked the big boss got me a new tonka toy and it was a D9G cat Shipping weight was a little over 45 ton (bare tractor ) No fluids , no cab , no 14 foot semi U dozer with tilt and no three shank paribolic ripper and it came into our siding by rail and all fluids and batterys had to be put in before it was fired up and drive off the rail car, then the rest went on , Oh and guess what we hauled in behind a 1957 B60 Mack with a gas burner on a fifty ton tandem Rodgers lowboy fully dressed , from one big job to the next , NOw today ya would have to strip the blade remove the ripper drain almost all the fuel out and bring in 10 -12 axle to move it . You complain about the roads , yep the interstate system is a problem as from org. spec.'s to what went down is HALF what was org. called for . base and pavement thickness was cut back to reduce costs , base material was changed for speed of layen down the base and cut costs. I can show you better streets then what the interstate is . Same as epave jobs some of them are about the same as taaking a good spray gun and opening up and spraying the pavement on with , four years later it is coming up again . What you need to do is go spend some time driving and see how the not so perfect world of transportation is . Now here is another twist to your shorts , Say you need to move something that can not be easaly divisable and you can get it on five or six axles but either way your going to be over the 80 , Well all ya have to do is apply for and over weight permit and PAY MONEY and they will send you a little piece of paper sayen that your fine So now instead of 34000 on the drives and 12000 on the steering and 34 on the trailer tandem your now at 14500 on the steering and your now 44 grand on the drives and 44 on the tandem of the trailer . Now has the road changed for you to move this ?? did the truck and trailer change ?? , NO only thing that changed is you paid MONEY for a piece of paper . I personally moved the second largest Gradall from the plant to Neb and did it on 6 axles and this was after a soild month of companys coming in with 9to 12 axles and could not get it to axle out , took some talking to get them to allow 46 on the drives and 18 on the steering really wanted 20 but tire size held me back and 65 on the tri to make it i had to strip my extra chains and binger and all my ratchet strap and tarps and not fill the fulll 300 gallon of fuel That one required over width 15 foot 6 inches over hight here again over 15 foot and over weight . so what changed to move the load roads?? truck and trailer , JUSY three little pieces of paper and money .

Nowadays getting caught is the least of the worries, getting in an accident and being overweight is a million times worse!

People are really uptight today. Take it easy. The real problem here are the states that are bent on the 80,000lb limit. The 'Enviromentally Friendly' thing to do is raise the limit. Raising the limit to 130,000 uses less fuel with less weight passing over the road. (=less fuel with less damage to roads) 130,000 means a 35,000 lb truck with 95000 lb load. 80,000 means a 30,000lb truck with a 50,000 lb load. Michigan Has a weight limit of 160,000 with the correct axle combo, most Canadian provinces have a limit around 140,000 lbs. It's a waste of fuel, time and road space/wear to have a limit of 80,000 lbs.

Please explain the break in property taxes that pays for roads.

It was a sad day when man became so greedy that he actually needed laws to keep him from taking advantage of others. The same can be said when we make a living of our choosing but expect others to give us breaks or bail us out when we fail. My dad and grandad made a decent living at farming.Made it on their own, if the wheat failed one year, maybe the sheep or the cows made good money that year. Never took on more land than they could handle. They didn't plant wheat and beans on all their land for years and years and wonder why every co-op in the midwest has more grain than they can handle. It seems silly to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. Some of us when we get paid in cash still turn it in on our taxes because we need cops and firemen and bridges ect and because it is the right thing to do. That being said, there has to be farmers out there somewhere farming responsibly,obeying the laws of the land AND making money and for that we THANK YOU! I live in southern Kansas. Have a good night.

(quoted from post at 22:56:01 10/31/17) People are really uptight today. Take it easy. The real problem here are the states that are bent on the 80,000lb limit. The 'Enviromentally Friendly' thing to do is raise the limit. Raising the limit to 130,000 uses less fuel with less weight passing over the road. (=less fuel with less damage to roads) 130,000 means a 35,000 lb truck with 95000 lb load. 80,000 means a 30,000lb truck with a 50,000 lb load. Michigan Has a weight limit of 160,000 with the correct axle combo, most Canadian provinces have a limit around 140,000 lbs. It's a waste of fuel, time and road space/wear to have a limit of 80,000 lbs.

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Speaking as a retired DOT Trooper, you make a good point in many ways. The problem is keeping the infrastructure in good enough shape to handle the heavier loads. We have a local BTO that draws enormous loads of liquid manure down a state road. Seems every year there are culverts being replaced, a lot of patching being done along the routes he travels. He employs a lot of people and pays a lot of taxes. But how do you balance the good with his tearing up the roads annually? Some ridiculous number of bridges on our county are in real danger of collapse. Where does a 150K lbs go when an 80K truck is already barred from travel? I wish it were as easy as we'd like it to be.

(quoted from post at 13:24:19 10/31/17) If and when corn gets to the point it never goes under ten dollars, beans never under $15, and milk never under $30, come back and talk to us about that. Any time you want to pay a NY farmers property tax, just say so. You will get a lot of takers on the offer.

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Amen!

Mike, late 70's early 80's hauled coal across the state of ohio grossing 140,000# every nite 5 days a we did it for ten years. got caught once, 2,500. fine and 3 days in jail, not bad odds. have hauled heavy all my truck drivin life, not going to stop now

ss55, where are you from?, my property taxes [farm ground]doubled in two years,we have comm or non comm tags only brake we get is mailing trailer tags from maine 20.00 a trailer.we dont get a break on inspections or do we have safety or health traning.............ss55 what country you from?.. you live in a world all by yourself, good luck

Most farm tags are licensed at 80,000 pounds....ss55 do you know what your talking about?

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(quoted from post at 22:56:01 10/31/17) People are really uptight today. Take it easy. The real problem here are the states that are bent on the 80,000lb limit. The 'Enviromentally Friendly' thing to do is raise the limit. Raising the limit to 130,000 uses less fuel with less weight passing over the road. (=less fuel with less damage to roads) 130,000 means a 35,000 lb truck with 95000 lb load. 80,000 means a 30,000lb truck with a 50,000 lb load. Michigan Has a weight limit of 160,000 with the correct axle combo, most Canadian provinces have a limit around 140,000 lbs. It's a waste of fuel, time and road space/wear to have a limit of 80,000 lbs.

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Speaking as a retired DOT Trooper, you make a good point in many ways. The problem is keeping the infrastructure in good enough shape to handle the heavier loads. We have a local BTO that draws enormous loads of liquid manure down a state road. Seems every year there are culverts being replaced, a lot of patching being done along the routes he travels. He employs a lot of people and pays a lot of taxes. But how do you balance the good with his tearing up the roads annually? Some ridiculous number of bridges on our county are in real danger of collapse. Where does a 150K lbs go when an 80K truck is already barred from travel? I wish it were as easy as we'd like it to be.

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You pretty much pinned the dilemma down perfectly Bret. I hail from Alberta, and have hauled grain all over Alberta and Saskatchewan with a tandem truck pulling Super B trailers. Gross weight allowed is usually just a sliver below 140k lbs. However, like you mentioned, loads that size can brutally tear up a road. In Saskatchewan in particular, there are a couple different weight classifications for roads, and depending on the time of year and if the frost is in the ground or coming out, the allowable gross changes. I've ended up on the wrong roads with the wrong weight before, and seen first hand the kind of carnage that too much weight can do. Even the main transportation corridors see the effect of Super B's running on them all the time. There's several main highways with wheel tracks in the righthand lane from heavy truck traffic. I don't know the real cost of maintaining infrastructure to the point of being able to run Super B's, but I know it's not cheap.

JMS/.MN dont think ss55 can explane, bet he dosnt answer and bet he is not a farmer

Reading between the lines it sounds like the boss instructed the operator to either stop when the truck was loaded or move to another truck. The operator did neither and the boss laughed it off well ss55 you cant read, told my grandaughter to finish the field , didnt think the beans would be that good, had one of the big trailers there thank god because the other trailers arnt as big, wouldnt have held all the beans...... ss55 you need to learn how to read!!

4520bw, have two timpte 48'x102'' super hoppers deep sides [looks like a freight box] 2013 models... had a 3 yr contract with a egg farm to haul all the suppliments and feed to other locations. when they bought there contracts were for 100 ton at a time, so just send two trucks and haul it back in one day, 50 ton a truck. with drivers payed truck and trailers off in a year and half....other people seen what I was doing and out bid me on the contract...now they are haulin twice as much for half the money. they still call me to pick up the slack but at my rate...cheeper isnt always better

(quoted from post at 17:13:34 11/01/17) JMS/.MN dont think ss55 can explane, bet he dosnt answer and bet he is not a farmer

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Doesn't matter if he's a farmer, what matters is if he's a tax payer. I myself don't believe in any subsidies or any kinda to anyone. Because that comes out of tax dollars. My tax dollars and the tax dollars of every other tax payer.

Few years back they rebuilt about 3 miles of road to accommodate one famers potato trucks, on the county's dime, my dime. Another spot about 5 miles of gravel road was put in so the summer lake people wouldn't get their fancy cars dirty. Thing is a farmer is on that road. They didn't put it in to take the weight of tractors, combines or trucks. Lot of patches in that road. The farmer on that road went to the township meeting and told them the kind of weights that road had to take.......

Rick

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(quoted from post at 17:13:34 11/01/17) JMS/.MN dont think ss55 can explane, bet he dosnt answer and bet he is not a farmer

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Doesn't matter if he's a farmer, what matters is if he's a tax payer. I myself don't believe in any subsidies or any kinda to anyone. Because that comes out of tax dollars. My tax dollars and the tax dollars of every other tax payer.

Few years back they rebuilt about 3 miles of road to accommodate one famers potato trucks, on the county's dime, my dime. Another spot about 5 miles of gravel road was put in so the summer lake people wouldn't get their fancy cars dirty. Thing is a farmer is on that road. They didn't put it in to take the weight of tractors, combines or trucks. Lot of patches in that road. The farmer on that road went to the township meeting and told them the kind of weights that road had to take.......

Rick

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Subsidies are just another way of redistributing wealth.And that's just another step toward socialization.

Well we can get the 160,000 limit legal with 11 axles total. Now the weight per axle is only 13,000 per axle on any groups of axles more than 2. If there are axles closer than 9 foot they only can haul 13000 if there is more than 2 that close. If there is 9 feet or more then they can have 18,000 per axle.
So now with my Spread axle step deck trailer I can have up to 20,000 per axle not to exceed 80,000 on 5 axles. So where is the problem with some of the weights allowed? The 20,000 per axle is only on the 2 axles 10foot 2 inches apart for the total of 40,000 legal on those 2 axles then the rest has to be on the other 3 with only 12,000 on the steer. Loaded like this it will pull hard ride terrible and use more fuel to pull it. These weights are for class A roads. Secondary or class B roads are less.

I think he"s from MN, and 55 refers to MN Hiway 55...from other posts I"ve seen. I think he"s near Metro.