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Re: Jobs lost to automation discussion


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Posted by docmirror on February 28, 2017 at 18:01:52 from (107.213.165.255):

In Reply to: Jobs lost to automation discussion posted by jocco on February 28, 2017 at 13:48:28:

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I hope they leave your post up, and this quote as well, but I will understand if it crosses the line. I'd like to maybe help out with a few assumptions made here, as I've been in the high tech field since the early 70s, and although I'm kinda old now, I might be able to put your mind at ease a little bit.

First - the technology side. Soon we will reach some physics limitations on mircotechnology. Right now the limitations on RAM type memory is called the 'via line width'. The limit of the size of the electron transfer across these vias will determine the minimal limits of memory storage. In humans, these are engrams, and they are very small. Technology won't get that far.

Next - the concern about IA is way, way, way overblown. Computing systems are masters at repetitive tasks. Performing sequential searches, or nested combinatorial analysis(fractal geometry) are perfect conditions for computers. But we are still a long way from human decision-making and an even longer way from reduction of human emotive valuation to a complex equation. There are many in my field who think that there is no possibility of 'sentience' with a digital system. We can approximate it, but we can't achieve so many human attributes.

Sarcasm, humor, empathy, apathy, anger, greed, envy, love, and hate are now and for the foreseeable future the province of man, and if there is a higher being(monotheist type), those as well. I'm one of those who consider that no matter the advances of technology, there will never come a time when a machine of any kind can provide succor and encouragement to the next generation(human or machine). While I"m on the subject, knowing why to procreate is something only for humans, and not machinery. They have no drive, or ambition to make yet another machine, like humans are prone to do.

Now the scary stuff. Embedded communication and emulation technology is outpacing all govts ability to manage or even monitor. Knowing when, how, and where to employ our technology in areas like defense, national economic policy, foreign relations, etc. Laws lag far behind the technical ability of sectors in the govt and more dangerous in private hands. Knowing so much about each person by constant public tracking, and storage of personal and private data on people is going to be a far bigger problem than it is right now. Consider, every word I write in this forum will potentially live forever. It could be recalled a 1000 years from now and it will never, ever be forgotten or modified. And, if my position changes or has changed in my lifetime, these words and opinions could always come back to bite me, as it has done so many public people recently.

On to monotheism. This is my weak point, and I will defer to others more qualified. All I can say is that it appears there has been a bit of a resurgence in belief of a monotheistic message around the world. I will also defer in commenting about whether that is a good thing, or has led to further human consternation. Others can weigh in on that better than I. As long as there is some value to be had in a belief system by humans, I think we will continue to have available without limitations(although some countries are bucking that trend, and will remain nameless)

Well, there ya are. Many generations have said similar things since the origin of conversation. We still advance, but we still hold beliefs. I don't see that changing for millennia. In fact, with the increase in labor done by machines, it seems likely that humans will be left to examine philosophical bounds to a greater extent. We'll see how that plays out in the 'twitter' generation.


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