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Re: Cliven Bundy Ranch, Nevada- Opinions??


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Posted by Bret4207 on April 25, 2014 at 04:26:22 from (64.19.90.196):

In Reply to: Cliven Bundy Ranch, Nevada- Opinions?? posted by Greg1959 on April 24, 2014 at 18:08:41:

I don't think Mr. Bundy is any prize, but he does make some good points and the gov't response was just plain tyranny. I'm still researching it, but it appears that in 1976 the gov't passed a law dictating the gov't was to return most of the BLM type lands, non-military type if you will, to the states. I understand Nebraska got 98% of it's lands back while Utah and Nevada have gotten what amounts to none of theirs. The reason why the return was stopped is unclear, but appears to me to be related to environmental concerns at this time. IOW- the gore-tex and granola crowd with their billions (Sierra Club, etc) and the "Save the 7 toed spotted lizard" types with their billions got some Senators and Congressmen to somehow stop it. I don't think I have to point out to anyone the lengths politicians will go to to earn their campaign donations. IMO the Federal Gov't should not own a single foot of real estate more than it needs for basic gov't functions. The same goes for the States. I've seen here in NY what happens when the gov't uses it's essentially unlimited tax dollars to buy up real estate, go into direct competition with private enterprise, regulate people into poverty. My sentiments may not lay exactly with Bundy, but I support at least some of the basic ideas he's trying to get recognized.

As far as the Federal response, way, way over blown. I've been in the middle of a crowd of 10-20K angry people and you don't win by pointing guns at them and tazing people who are in your face. I can 100% guarantee that if the Feds had been state or local cops from Alabama or Georgia and the crowd had been black, or from Texas or Az and the crowd Hispanic, or NY or NJ ad the crowd gay that the press reports would be entirely different. The mistake Bundys supporters made was in showing arms right off the bat. You don't win in the battle for public perception with guns. I fully support the 2nd Amend, but that's for later in dire, dire circumstances. All it does at the initial juncture is make you look like Harry Reids so called "domestic terrorists". You want to win these things, you do what every other successful group has done in the past 40 years- you put the women and kids and old people out in front and you wait for the first idiot on uniform to step on a toe. After that it's all gravy. I don't like it, but them's the facts folks. It's worked every time it's been done. If the gov't responds with force, nothing wins the argument like some bloody innocents. It's either that or you have to have access to billions of dollars.

Welcome to "Winning hearts and minds, 2014".


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