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Re: Just and odd thought about Made in the land of almosr...


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Posted by Billy NY on September 19, 2012 at 05:39:29 from (24.29.79.122):

In Reply to: Re: Just and odd thought about Made in the land of almosr... posted by oldtanker on September 18, 2012 at 21:32:44:

There is some history about the manufacture of the M14 rifle by Springfield Armory, (the real SA) over here in Mass., and what cause the cessation of production. Ironic though, just read another article about the re-use, and or latest rifle built off this platform. I have an M1A1 myself SA - but Geneseo, Illinois has some trw surplus parts, great rifle, I hunt deer with it, heavy but has its place.

Chinese, have the capability to build quality, adhere to reference standards that we created based on a lot of engineering and science, but whomever is dealing with them has to clearly specify and mandate that the product adhere to those standards, which is going to come at additional cost, vs cutting corners and producing an inferior product but at a savings.

One example I can recall is one of the crane collapses in NYC '08, 2nd one, where the carbody (top) fell off the tower (tower crane), their 2nd price for overhauling this crane was significantly less (from reading about it, who really knows)than the first bid, they went with the lower bid and look what happened.

I've dealt with a few chinese outfits in NYC and you have to watch them, they play stupid and try and get you to do their work and similar, this one company's field personnel played dumb on me once, stated they did not know how they would hang these expensive ornamental panels they built for a building, up on the top floor, I told them it was bought erected, its your problem, either you figure it out and get it done per your contract or you have 2 choices, 1.) I default you, (failure to perform) just pay for acceptable materials delivered, to be installed by the replacement contractor and you had better deliver the entire job,(no time to re-fabricate). 2.) I make the arrangements to erect your work, you pay the bill for that. They took the 2nd option, then tried to negotiate the price, I told their representatives this, get me the president of your firm on the phone right now, they did, I explained the situation for the last time, told him the price was non negotiable, you will pay the contractor I have arranged to set up the rigging and whatever else, if you don't I will backcharge your contract (always hold money on them) the full amount. He saw it my way, and to be honest, the president was actually a respectable guy, but people under him trying to make a name for themselves, thought it wise to play dumb and play hardball with an experienced veteran, not going to happen. There is an air about them, they work hard, they are extremely dedicated, can be real pushy, when the new year comes around the entire company shuts down and they all take vacation at the same time. You have to watch everything they do, often times, they will cut corners if you do not.

I had a concrete pour at the entrance on a saturday, I also had a canopy to erect above that pour the same day, had to park 2 cars in one spot, told both outfits to come in, one doing concrete goes first, I pay the down time via time and material ticket for the canopy crew while they are idle during this,until they can work that day, (couple of hours) meaning they are paid for sitting. One of them gets into medium size box truck and starts lurching and revving the engine at the concrete crew, a family outfit, all brothers that do excellent work, almost had a riot, had to remind them about the deal even though they are paid to sit, still trying to intimidate others and see if they can do better, even though everything was clearly mapped out as to how this was going to work, they don't give up easily.


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