steve_in_mo said: (quoted from post at 14:43:18 06/13/12) Help me with the logic. Are you guys really wanting to support some BTO dumping a couple million gallons of cowstuff in the watershed that you drink from? Do you want your grandchildren to be limited to bottled, decontaminated drinking water? Opposition to an over-reaching government agency is one thing, but some regulations are important.
Someday people will be out grazing in a pasture instead of eating off of a plate. This is the direction we are heading. Local gov'ts, state DEQ's/DEM's, and EPA want zero pollution/emissions for every industry, agriculture included. This isn't at all practical or possible, if people like eating, having electricity, driving an automobile, and like having around most of what we use in everyday life. Eventually (sooner rather than later) every individual's activities will be regulated by the EPA and/or local environmental agencies, and when people have to get a permit to buy laundry soap, a quart of paint or toilet bowl cleaner, those that think this spying is a-ok just fine by them will be singing a different tune.
People may have no idea the level of recordkeeping involved with and the rules that stipulate when, where, how, and how much manure can be handled in what manner by who the state deems to be a "BTO" here. If someone makes a "million gallons of cowstuff" disappear in an improper fashion in this state, they're paying someone off, (and someone on the other side would be taking the $$$). More regulation and spy surveilance won't ever stop that. It won't stop or clean up legitimate accidents and problems created by natural disasters, either.
The EPA that the OP mentioned are our federal friends that wanted to regulate dust involved in agricultural activities, and fine those that created said dust (EPA reasoning: cha-ching!).
When these agencies were created, there was a need for them and there is still a need for them today. There's always someone with no morals who will try to get away with anything and someone with some rules backing them up has to stop this. Sadly, today, these agencies true goal is not pollution prevention, it's keeping their regulatory agency relevant and this takes new regulations every year. New reg.'s=more employees=more money needed to pay everyone for this "pollution prevention". They want all of the money they can get from the taxpayer and from permits to keep them going. Reverting to a third world country in the next couple of decades is going to be interesting if these agencies runaway foolishness continues.
What's sadder yet, is that a local BTO (city) can dump "combined sewer overflows" full of human waste into a river, because they get a discharge permit to do so. They've done it for years, but they have a permit, so it's ok. I know people who fish in this river. I wouldn't eat that excrement if you paid me. Those days of dumping poo into the river are coming to an end, though. What isn't coming to an end is the ability of the average homeowner to put levels of fertilizer on their lawns each year that a farmer might not need to plant 25 acres of crops. This leeches into the groundwater, too. Politicians have lawns, and they don't want a sad looking yard, and quantitatively more homeowners than farmers vote in most areas, so, the system works.
Every citizen has every right not to be spied upon by any government or police agency while on their personal private property for a potential crime/regulation that some agency deems someone has the potential to be possibly be commiting/breaking. Unwarranted surveilance of an individual's activities on private property is illegal.
AG
This post was edited by AG in IN at 17:54:03 06/13/12 6 times.
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