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Hobby farming first year got some questions

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Oliver662011

12-20-2007 16:02:36




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Hey, my grandfather said I can farm our farm this year. I'm trying to save it and keep in the family and try to rebuild. I have all 40's, 50's, and 60's equipment, the only tillage is a Case disc, and a Oliver Cultivator. I dont have much but if I can get a profit I am going to buy a planter then the year after save for a combine. Well, my first question, I am planting soy beans where is the best place (brand) to get cheap but good seed? I will post more ?'s after this one is answered or as they come up. Mike

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MLD

01-15-2008 07:35:55




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
Good Luck, I've had soy beans, oats, wheat, & tobacco. Only time I ever turned a profit was on tobacco. You can't make the money back for the cost of equipment with grain on small acreage. I'm tring hay now because of the horse owners in the area. I'm getting enough to pay for the seed, fertilizer, fuel, & twine... but I got along way to go to pay for the mower, rake, & baler. I'm working a 40 hour a week job & enjoy playing with tractors, so its a evening & weekend hobby. I think it helps keep me out of trouble too.

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JoshuaGA

01-03-2008 21:58:13




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Dave from MN, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  

Farmallb said: (quoted from post at 13:20:05 01/04/08)
JoshuaGA said: (quoted from post at 21:24:19 01/02/08)

THEN, after its picked, electric fence it, and put 5 cows on it till theres nothing left.

JoshuaGA


If you want to do that, get a few dairy bulls this spring, bottle feed them, and by the time sweet corn comes off, you can castrate them and turn them in to graze on the stover, and the sell them at the stockyards this fall.

JoshuaGA

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Farmallb

01-03-2008 20:20:05




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to benny2, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  

JoshuaGA said: (quoted from post at 21:24:19 01/02/08) Why not a crop like sweet corn? Ten acres ain't much and if you want to make money, grow sweet corn, set up a roadside stand, and sell the corn. Good cheap 2 row planters can be had easily. Keep on top if insects. Depending on timing, you might miss them or else they might eat you alive. Same with fungus. You could hire this done, or go through the hassle of getting a private applicator liscence, or, if your grandpa has the liscence, get him to purchase the chemical, buy a 100 to 200 gal. sprayer, and DIY, BUT READ AND FOLLOW THE LABEL!!!! Get some points for that cultivator and learn to cultivate, and cultivate, and cultivate. Picking will be the fun part. Borrow a truck or trailer, clear two rows, and then start walking. Sweet corn is by far the easiest crop to pick. I personally have picked 150 ears in less than 15 minutes quite easily. Then, call all your neighbors, post fliers, advertise your crop at $$ per dozen ears. Make sure you write down and itemize your expenses, keep receipts, and budget enough to give yourself some cash. Check and estimate yield when they start setting ears so you will know about what you need to charge. Sweet corn isn't a plant it and leave it crop, so be prepared to work, especially with your growing and harvesting times. Remember the IRS will want some if you make money. This may or may not be necessiarly cheap, but should be a much better return than soybeans without much more investment. Do sit down with your grandpa and talk about the land. It will break your heart to see it planted in houses. Can't help anymore than that, but I think you will be better off going this route.

Wish you sucess.

THEN, after its picked, electric fence it, and put 5 cows on it till theres nothing left.

JoshuaGA

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JoshuaGA

01-02-2008 20:24:19




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to MN Bob, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
Why not a crop like sweet corn? Ten acres ain't much and if you want to make money, grow sweet corn, set up a roadside stand, and sell the corn. Good cheap 2 row planters can be had easily. Keep on top if insects. Depending on timing, you might miss them or else they might eat you alive. Same with fungus. You could hire this done, or go through the hassle of getting a private applicator liscence, or, if your grandpa has the liscence, get him to purchase the chemical, buy a 100 to 200 gal. sprayer, and DIY, BUT READ AND FOLLOW THE LABEL!!!! Get some points for that cultivator and learn to cultivate, and cultivate, and cultivate. Picking will be the fun part. Borrow a truck or trailer, clear two rows, and then start walking. Sweet corn is by far the easiest crop to pick. I personally have picked 150 ears in less than 15 minutes quite easily. Then, call all your neighbors, post fliers, advertise your crop at $$ per dozen ears. Make sure you write down and itemize your expenses, keep receipts, and budget enough to give yourself some cash. Check and estimate yield when they start setting ears so you will know about what you need to charge. Sweet corn isn't a plant it and leave it crop, so be prepared to work, especially with your growing and harvesting times. Remember the IRS will want some if you make money. This may or may not be necessiarly cheap, but should be a much better return than soybeans without much more investment. Do sit down with your grandpa and talk about the land. It will break your heart to see it planted in houses. Can't help anymore than that, but I think you will be better off going this route.

Wish you sucess.

JoshuaGA

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sammyd

12-29-2007 02:29:17




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
Hobby farming is just that. A hobby is usually not a money making endevour. Get the hobby idea out of your head.

I would look into other niches besides rowcrop farming. How's the hay situation where you're at? Small back to the landers or horse owners looking for small squares? Berries have been mentioned and they can be a money maker given time.
With only 10 acres it would pay to really think outside the box and look for things you could grow and sell directly to the consumer maximizing your profits.

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Mathias NY

12-26-2007 08:09:34




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
I'm not sure what your goals are or what available time you may have. There is more money to be had in anything you can sell direct to the consumer. The downside is it takes a lot more time. Ten acres of berries can return a lot of money, but you will need another job to support the farm until it becomes profitable. I know several fresh fruit and berry farms around us that return $10k-$15k per year on 10-15 acres.

It can be done, but I don't believe you will generate any substantial returns with 10 acres of a traditional field crop.

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GeneMO

12-26-2007 04:05:37




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
Mike, After I posted this last night I got to thinking, I sounded a little harsh or snooty. It is sometimes hard to put in words what you really mean.

It sounded to me like there were other people involved in the farm who may not be working with you or maybe even against you. You mentioned that 10 acres was all your grandad could control or let you work. I didn't want to see you put a lot of time or money into something, then someone else waltz in and take it and leave you holding the bag so to speak.

Yes I helped my day pay off over $125,000 of debt by working every spare minute. Then my non farming brother stepped in and took half of the land. When we sat in the attorneys office after my dad had fought cancer for 4 years and was on his last legs, he was not able to think clearly enough to vouch for our verbal agreement as to how things were to be divided. Pain medication and chemo drugs had destroyed his ability to remember.

My dad and I has farmed together under a handshake agreement. A verbal agreement. As far as the law is concerned it is not worth squat if it is not in writing. I wanted to drive the tractors and do the other "farm stuff".
I should have been paying more attention to the "legal stuff"

You live and learn. Hopefully I can help others not make that same mistake.

That was what I was trying to get at. Not only was I not able to keep the whole tract together, I have not spoken to my brother now for almost 4 years. Neither occurence is a good deal. I lost part of my land, and my family. Jealousy and greed are ugly things. People who you never thought would turn on you,will, when money is involved.


Sure hope it works for you.


Gene

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GeneMO

12-25-2007 21:18:08




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
Mr. Oliver, I dont mean to rain on your parade, as holding on to family land is about as good as it gets.

I saved our faimlly farm of 314 acres in central Mo. I did it by getting a 4 year degree in Ag. and getting a real good job. Then working my butt off, working full time and helping my dad on the farm every spare minute. Only took me 30 years, and its all paid for.

There just isn't enough profit to be had in 10 acres to do much of anything. Cash rent it out or share crop it. Devote your time to more profitable endeavors and then when it is paid for set back and enjoy.


Sounds like where you do not have control of all the land, you probably need to do some very serious estate planning with a good attorney and get you grandpap to put some stuff in writing as to how he wants things divided.

I know from experience!!!


Gene

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Oliver662011

12-21-2007 09:47:51




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to nballen, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
I'm outside Castalia, Ohio. We have 75 acres, but I am only farming about ten cause thats what my grandpa owns, the rest is the rest of my family. I was ethier going to pay someone to plant it or something, where can I rent a planter that was said earlier? We have decent soil, and the ground isnt worked yet, but I am buying a 2 or 3 row moldboard plow soon. What are RR beans? Mike



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kyhayman

12-22-2007 14:04:11




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-21-2007 09:47:51  
Most conservation districts around here have them as well as farm machinery dealerships and contractors rental places. I pay 7.00 an acre to rent a 10 foot Haybuster notil planter. I've used it for all types of hay crops, rye, soybeans, and wheat. At the ultimate of low cost you could get it sprayed up front, then drill the beans in notill, then (if RR) spray over the top with 1-2 passes of Roundup and you are done.

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paul

12-21-2007 10:00:18




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-21-2007 09:47:51  
Two or 3 'bottom' plow.... ;)

RR soybeans are the genetically modified beans, you can spray glyphosate (Roundup & many other brands) to kill weeds. This seed costs more, & you sign a licence agreement to not save seed, but buy new.

Conventional beans are becoming difficult to find, and many have patents on them that don't allow you to save seed either. Kinda depends. Hard to control weeds in soybeans.

10 acres will be a nice start. Beans can be planted in different ways, corn planter, drill, broadcast. Only the corn planter allows you to cultivate, if that is what you wish to do for weeds.

--->Paul

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kyhayman

12-20-2007 18:44:09




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
Cheap seed never is never cheap.

How many acres, what are your soil test levels, geographic location, other income sources? You mention equipment, what kind? what condition?

Soybeans are a good choice. The price is great. Personally, Id go with RR beans. They cost more, a lot more, up front but weed control is a snap and you can custom hire that if you have to. They also really cut down on the fertilizer bill. Plus, if you need a planter, in many places you can rent a notil drill for that.

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paul

12-20-2007 18:28:35




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
Location?

How many acres are we talking about?

If 'cheap' are you looking for conventional beans I suppose, or RR beans?

How will you plant them if you don't have a planter now?

If you only have a disk, what was the previous crop, is the soil fall worked already?

Has the fertility been kept up, or is the soilpretty poor - hard to be profitable on poor soil.

Just some random thoughts. :)

--->Paul

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evilboweviel

12-20-2007 16:42:45




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 Re: Hobby farming first year got some questions in reply to Oliver662011, 12-20-2007 16:02:36  
probably would help to know your location
ron



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