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Discussion Board - E85 = bad, Biodiesel = could be good

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FreeRanger

09-01-2006 06:08:37




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Clearly as we learn more the E85 is not a good investment.

However, biodiesel is looking better all the time. I don't understand why the university research isn't harder working on small scale production of biodiesel. I think I heard on the news last week that UW or UM have a small unit that they are traveling around showing. I thought Willie Nelson had one back in the late 1980s? Would it not be a great thing if the farmer could produce his own fuel from the crops he grows RIGHT ON THE FARM! Even medium size plants could be located on farms to provide fuel for the neighborhood. What an idea!

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dej(JED)

09-06-2006 11:09:02




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 Re: E85 = bad, Biodiesel = could be good in reply to FreeRanger, 09-01-2006 06:08:37  
80% of the biodiesel cost is in the feedstock.
The smallest units I have seen are making about 1000K gallons per year and they cost around $1000k. Bio making plants will take major investments just like ethanol does. Smaller scale production units can be built, but there really isn't any profitability to be had with them. Besides that the average guy can't afford the safety risks associated with bio diesel production.

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Matt from CT

09-06-2006 12:12:28




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 Safety risks I think vary... in reply to dej(JED), 09-06-2006 11:09:02  
Especially for using waste oil, where there's catalysts and stuff being used to change the molecular structures.

If you have applications that can use Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO)...it's basically squeeze out the oil and filter it.



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rambler

09-06-2006 18:39:51




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 Re: Safety risks I think vary... in reply to Matt from CT, 09-06-2006 12:12:28  
My understanding is that svo carbons up the engine and generally isn't so good long-term?


No experience mind you, just what I hear.

--->Paul



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Hard Knocks

09-02-2006 02:08:37




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 Re: E85 = bad, Biodiesel = could be good in reply to FreeRanger, 09-01-2006 06:08:37  
|University researchers aren't going to work on it because no one wanting small scale bio diesel production is writing them big grant money checks.The last theing the big boys want is the American public not needing their products.Follow the money trail.



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Sam#3

09-01-2006 18:09:52




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 Re: E85 = bad, Biodiesel = could be good in reply to FreeRanger, 09-01-2006 06:08:37  
For a long time the farmers provided their own fuel on the farm. But they felt the horses were eating too much of the profits so they begged someone to invent a machine to replace the horse. In a couple generations the machine began using too much of the profits. The farmers began to search for a way to grow their own fuel. In the process they invented the circle which is the basis of the wheel. Haven't we been here before?
I think I need to find something to do. :)

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Matt from CT

09-01-2006 09:27:42




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 Re: E85 = bad, Biodiesel = could be good in reply to FreeRanger, 09-01-2006 06:08:37  
Like Paul said, there's advantages and disadvantages to both.

I keep trying to make the math work for me, but lacking a real farm can't quite get to that point ;)

Link below is one press I found that's a simple, more or less home-scale version to make straight vegetable oil.

I would assume you'd want a grain bin to be feeding it and a much bigger oil tank than dealing with 5 gallon buckets! And some cows to eat the seedcake.

Even to me seems like a lot of work (well, watching & waiting...) to make sure it's processing OK on a home scale compared to how much output you get. I think the machine there was putting out 15 gallons per hour...so unless you can tune it to "set and forget" you'd end up having to spend an awful lot of time tending it.

But at least it gives you a visual of how the virgin biodiesel is made on a small scale.

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