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Why a wheatland tractor for wheat?

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04-22-2001 11:41:06




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Back then. lets say like in the 1950s, why would a farmer take a standard tractor over a row crop? Let's take the John Deere 70 diesel. Available in both versions. They both have the same power. Was a wheatland cheaper than a row crop? To me, a row crop has the same power, higher off the ground, turns sharper, and to me at least, looks better. Not that standards are bad, but...




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RonMC

04-23-2001 23:22:24




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 Re: Why a wheatland tractor for wheat? in reply to [email protected], 04-22-2001 11:41:06  
Interesting, I was talking to a farmer a week ago about this very thing. He said the trikes were too short on front traction when using large implements, especially when turning during cultivating, etc. Plus he said that stability was not near as good and the ride quality was not something to be enjoyed. This is in Canada where you see very few row-crops (trikes). There was just no reason to have one !

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andy

04-23-2001 20:20:09




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 Re: Why a wheatland tractor for wheat? in reply to [email protected], 04-22-2001 11:41:06  
Midwest farmers needed the tricycle row crop tractors to cultivate corn and soybeans. Also, a tricycle tractor was needed to put a corn picker on. When corn pickers were popular they were commonly put on the newest and best tractor like the IH 560, IH 806, JD 720/30, JD 4010. So, row crops grown in the midwest need the clearance provided by a row crop tractor.



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Charlie

04-23-2001 05:10:02




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 Re: Why a wheatland tractor for wheat? in reply to [email protected], 04-22-2001 11:41:06  
Is a wheatland style tractor any tougher tractor than the equivalent row crow version (heavier gears, etc)?



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JD70Jim

04-23-2001 06:57:34




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 Re: Re: Why a wheatland tractor for wheat? in reply to Charlie, 04-23-2001 05:10:02  
The standard, heavy cast front end just bolts on in the same way that the ROM pedestal or the adjustable WFE bolt on. The large fenders are also bolt on. The rear wheel castings were different, but they also interchange. Most standards did not have the rockshaft. The rockshaft housing is also interchangeable (and a whole lot of work to replace). There is a picture in one of my books of a GR, which was made by adding fenders, platform, and front end from a donor tractor (probably a 70). If you really wanted to, you could rebuild a Standard into a Rowcrop and vice versa. A rebuilt from something else would not be an "authentic factory version" and command the additional value for scarcity but it would still be identical. Such tractors are sometimes called "counterfeit" and my guess is that more than one HiCrop was assembled from something else. This is also one reason for such emphasis on the serial numbers found especially on scarce tractors. The serial number usually identifies whether or not the tractor is really what it is supposed to be.

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G Taylor

04-23-2001 00:38:01




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 Re: Why a wheatland tractor for wheat? in reply to [email protected], 04-22-2001 11:41:06  
Besides the practical reasons well covered previously the standard looks better. A row crop with an adjustable wide front end looks like a "praying mantous" insect. Appears fragile as well. The standard is most common in the western plains & for some unknown reason in Ontario along with rollomatic rowcrops. An adjustable wide rowcrop is unusual around here.



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Don Wadge

04-22-2001 19:30:40




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 Re: Why a wheatland tractor for wheat? in reply to [email protected], 04-22-2001 11:41:06  
Here in southern Manitoba our farms varied a lot in size in the fifties. We had lots of JD 70, 720, 730, R, 80, 820, 830; McCormick W6,WD9; Case La, 500, 600, 900 etc.; Oliver 88, 99; Minneapolis, Massey; you name it. In the heavy soils of the Red River Valley crawlers were the choice for various reasons; one being that rubber did not wear well in that soil. We didn't have many row crop tractors but there were quite a number of Farmall M's with the wide front. Tractors with narrow fronts were not very practical for grain farmiing and for plowing and pulling discers you ran your right wheels in the furrow which was easier. As far as wide front rowcrops vs wheatland tractors to a large degree no-one ever thought of buying a rowcrop if you didn't need it and actually I think the high-wheel tractors would out-pull a wheatland in the field (not just at tractor pulls). Those who had Farmall M's seemed to pull a little bigger implement than those with W6's. Probably a wheatland tractor would be a little warmer in the field in the late fall. We used to put in some long days after harvest doing the fall work and there weren't too many cabs around until the late fifties.

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The Red Fed (Hey Don Wadge)

04-22-2001 20:09:38




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 Re: Re: Why a wheatland tractor for wheat? in reply to Don Wadge, 04-22-2001 19:30:40  
If your from Manitoba do you know of any WD-9's sitting anywhere?Need parts any help appreciated.



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Green Envy

04-22-2001 14:12:35




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 Re: Why a wheatland tractor for wheat? in reply to [email protected], 04-22-2001 11:41:06  
We don't get as much moisture out here in Montana as opposed to the corn belt. As a result farms have to be bigger than they do where you live. Out here a farmer wouldn't take a JD 70 at all. Instead he would take the John Deere 80 which has more hp. A farmer out here would take a standard over a rowcrop for various reasons. We don't need adjustable tall rear wheels and the ground clearance for growing wheat and barly. Also, standard tread tractors are more stable in the hills than rowcrop tractors and are not as likely to tip over. I have never seen a standard tread 70 out here but there were alot of R/80/820/830 out here. During the 50s when you guys where farming with the John Deere 70/60/50 and similar size tractors, we were farming with International TD-14 and 18s, Catepillar D7 and D6 crawlers pulling 20ft to 40ft chisel plows. 200/300 hp 4-wheel Wagner tractors were also popular out here. However we did use rowcrop tractors out here. Most had loaders mounted on them like our Farmall M that has a Farmhand and they were used for putting up hay. Most tractor collectors out here view rowcrop tractors with tricycle front ends as more collectable than standard tread tractors. To sum it up, why buy a rowcrop tractor when all you will ever farm with it is wheat and other small grains instead of soybeans and corn.

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