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wkfarmall

05-07-2009 22:51:57




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A couple of weeks ago there was a story on our local news about migrant farm workers and swine flu. The farmer they interviewed(of which I personally know) stated that he would have to scale back on his crops because of a delay in the migrant workers. I have raised or worked in tobacco for app. 18 years. There was a group of us who went around working for various farmers. We were typically paid between 6 and 8 dollars per hour. We worked hard with an occasional deadbeat. The farmers we worked for always appreciated our work and bragged on us every chance they got. Now all the sudden an american farmer can't grow a crop without a migrant worker, says they advertise the jobs for 45 days before hiring a migrant(where?),and they also say they pay these migrants 12 to 14 Dollars an hour with health insurance. I love working farm work but had to go elsewhere because these local farmers could not provide benefits or pay more than $10/hr. It really gripes me that they will not hire some of the millions of unemployed people just because they were let down by a couple of migrant workers.

I am just assuming that many of you came from farms also and would consider yourselves hard working an dependable, and if so how many of you would love to make $14/hr with health insurance provided doing what you love. I do not believe that an american farmer would say that americans are not capable of farm work.

Please go to www.wpsdlocal6.com and scroll down to site comments in the left column to read what people are saying about "Flu creates longer delay for farmers and migrant workers". Please post comments and let me know what you think about this. This whole subject really ticks me off.

Ben

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LenND

05-08-2009 18:28:07




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
Farm help is a problem in this area too. You don't hire a kid off the street or an immigrant to run a quarter million dollars of equipment. So some of the farmers hire retired people that were farmers or experienced with equipment if they can.



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Jeff Oliver

05-08-2009 18:25:48




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
Where is this in West Ky? Heck at that rate and benefits I might send my son up there. He likes farm work and that pay is better than most factories start at here in West Tn.



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GeneMO

05-08-2009 18:01:56




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
If I could find a reliable hand for $15.00 an hour I could keep him busy for 6 months. The trouble is, any help you can find is so dumb and lazy as to be worthless. You have to show them every move to make. Crap I might as well do it myself. You show them one thing to do, they finally finish that, then stand there with a dumb look on their face. You just flat cannot get good help, unless it is your neighbors teen age son who went through FFA and 4H and the dad taught them how to work.

Gene

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gun guru

05-08-2009 13:17:18




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
I tell you right now is I was unemployed (And I thank Almighty God that I am not) I would pick tomatoes, beans or corn for $12/hour, cash under the table too.

In Michigan there are lots and lots of people laid off.



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Rob in Indiana

05-08-2009 11:08:21




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
the shortage of folk willing to work is everywhere..... . not just ag jobs.

We been tiring to hire lube truck workers all spring but no one wants to operate a grease gun for $15 hr starting out, or show up on time, or show up sober.

We had this same problem last summer. We have become a nation of lazy bums.



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JayinNY

05-08-2009 17:26:17




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to Rob in Indiana, 05-08-2009 11:08:21  
You got that right. I cant tell you how many blacks are walking the streets in a small city near were I live. Gold teeth, fancy cloths, baseball hats with the brim flat, talking on cell phones. Oh they work..... selling drugs. Now I wonder why we ever stopped slavery. Crack the whip and pick that cotton, you black son a *%^&ch



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Billy NY

05-08-2009 10:52:13




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
Can say I've been on both ends of this too, hiring and employed more recently. It's hard to find people that will do these jobs, though with benefits it helps, I've seen this same scenario with labor for our horse farm, it can be a real pain in the arse, well at times, no it don't pay a lot, but you're one your own, you know what needs to be done and if you are doing something productive without being told, most of the time your doing a pretty good job, and it's appreciated, I've seen a lot worse.

I just recently helped my friend a long time farmer $12 cash, -1/2 for lunch and any significant down time etc. No way I would ask for more, with me you get an experienced equipment operator, just did some dozer work for him, and still am darned good at that too, I can weld pretty good, not a pro, but I know my limits, I bring my machine and supplies, you fill my tank and buy my electrodes, meaning you keep me stocked, I'll do what needs to be done. I've got a clean class A CDL too. I did some hard work, cultipacking with a lot of rock picking by hand, greasing and maintaining equipment, some repairs so far, and some extra work on the barter for tractor time and some standing hardwood to be cleared, as well as clean up, we had an ice storm here too, I supply my own saw, gas, tools etc. Ideally, I'd like to make upwards of $15$-$18 cash for this, but You have to realize, there aint a lot of money in this to start, + for someone you have known a long time, better to keep it lower anyway. His wife brought us lunch and had me over for dinner many times after a long one, darned appreciated too !

Now, if you have a family to feed and strive for a career, this may not be for you, maybe fill in work, you should still bring your game face and work hard til you're getting to where you're going. For me, anything to keep busy lately, I can survive without it, but earning something is the right thing to do, but it is just plain and simple, nothing like putting in a hard days work, will keep you in shape, heck I lost a little more aside from my diet, never been heavy, but like to stay fit, clothes fit better, just feels good to work hard, though with old injury type aches and pains, takes 2 days off to recover sometimes, I dunno, don't mind the work if I'm appreciated, and I've made a lot more money in my career, but sometimes it's not so much about the money now, 20's-30's you should work hard, find that good paying job if you can, 40's and onward, if you got ahead earlier, you won't worry so much about the pay, more about the benefits, and you can still put in a hard days work. Maybe it's just me, but there are lots of people that don't want to work at all, I like to work at things I enjoy and know I am appreciated for, but won't get out of bed to work for a jerk for even much higher pay.

That is a decent wage for this work + benny's, people don't appreciate it I guess, I'd be happy with it right now, but also know I could go out and get back into my career, or many other things if more money was needed, sometimes the excess hours, stress and associated crap when you work a rat race job is not worth any pay, rather do the kind of work we are talking about here.

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Spook

05-08-2009 09:24:07




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
From what I see around here, I can get casual labor for $10 per hour, no problem. Lots of unemployed, not many migrants here. I heard a lot have left Michigan in the last few years, better money somewhere else. I hired guys to help me clean out a fence row and grunt labor building a barn. Biggest problem is connecting the workers to those that want to hire them. I don't want to deal with the state unemployment agency, and temp agencies are expensive. I have been hiring the neighbor's adult kids or people from church.

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LAA

05-08-2009 09:15:43




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
I can still round up some white boys to work most any time. I never had much use for Mexicans because even though most of the time they will show up, they're always wanting to get their Cousin or Brother in law a job and whining that the work is to hard or playing dumb if it is something they don't want to do.



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Jiles

05-08-2009 09:13:14




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
[ quote="wkfarmall"](reply to post at 06:51:57 05/08/09) [/quote]

There may be a growing problem with our American System.

A lot of people find it better to set on their porch and draw an unemployment check, or draw their welfare check.

I don't know what the solution could be because many people are entitled to this type help, and would work if they could.



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Billy Shafer

05-08-2009 07:55:12




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
You can blame the farmers problems on most of the American workers that are lazy. My father had to hire a worker when his man had to go back to Mexico for his fathers funeral.He hired four in one month. One never showed up,one was always late and wanted to only do certain jobs. One was always on brake and the last one stole a truck from the farm. So he had to find another migrant to fill in until Pedro got back.

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mjbrown

05-08-2009 06:41:30




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
I don't understand what the problem is getting Americans (or Canadians) to do farm work. There are a lot worse jobs Americans do on a daily basis like picking up garbage and cleaning sewers. What are the farmer employers leaving out of the equation? Long term commitment? Benefits?



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tlak

05-08-2009 08:46:02




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to mjbrown, 05-08-2009 06:41:30  
Looks like pay to me, $6-8hr. w/ all the gatorade and bologna sandwiches you can eat.



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kyplowboy

05-08-2009 06:19:39




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
Go to the state employment office, that is where they advertise to be able to qualify for H2A programs. I only raise about 3 acres. My family is not able to help get that in the barn any more. I hired 7 people last year durring cutting and housing. Two only "worked" two hours, one got "sick" and the other "remembered" he had a job interview that day and had to leave but would be back. Both needed their money before they left. Have not seen them since. I cut about 300 sticks late one day before going to my 12 hour night shift job, figure'n on getting it up the next morning after me and the 3 guys who were come'n got a few wagons unloaded. One guy showed and at 8 his wife called with a tooth ache and he had to take her to the Dr. I had to run to a neighbor's house and bum 3 wagons to get it all up before dinner on my own. When you have migrant help, that crap don't happen. The only way to get help to hang around durring tobacco cutting is if you know some one who works at the jail, you can get a few guys on work relese. For good help, I will pay $10/hour cash. 15 years ago around here people were paying $6 hour and would have all kinds of folks with good factory jobs show up after work to make a little side money, those days are over. The last 10 years I have had two good friends that are brothers, both had factory jobs one on 1st one worked 3rds. One would come out in the afternoons and the other would come out and work every morning. Now they are both in the coal mines, I don't figure I will ever get them to help me again. I don't blame them, we are still good friends, but if I was bring'n home $1,200/week I would not make good barn help myself. 15 years ago when I was in high school most of the boys worked in tobacco after school. Now good luck find'n a school kid that wants to work or his parent's will let him, they all have to play sports so they will grow up big and strong and get their name in the county paper. Now about the only help I can count on show'n up is a 63 year old man up the road that has worked in tobacco his whole life, it's all he knows and as long as I give him a few cokes and feed him dinner he is as happy as he can be, only thing is he don't care how high in the barn he gets as long as he has one foot on the ground. I did have a woman who helped strip some this winter, she said she wants to help in the field this summer. Don't know how that is going to work out but her girlfriend says she is more of a man than I am so we will see. My grandmother turned 79 a month ago, when she is the best help I have times are pretty rough. This will be her 61st crop and keep saying she is going to retire, we will see about that too. Only bad thing about me and her is she can not hand up any more,,,,,

Dave

Oh, and if wk does stand for west KY, email me. If you are close to Tilden your hired!

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kyhayman

05-08-2009 07:49:18




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to kyplowboy, 05-08-2009 06:19:39  
I could have written this myself!!!

The last few tobacco crops I raised I ended up hiring a contractor to put the crop in. It wasnt a question of pay, it was a question of getting people at any price.

Hay has been the same way, a few years ago I needed a crew of 5. Ended up hiring 9 people over 3 days and never was able to keep more than 3 people on the job. Pay was 8 an hour, free meals, and paid meal breaks. Water, cokes, and gatoraide provided.

Even now I cant find people. Had a guy at the bank tell me about this guy who was laid off, really struggling, wanted to work. Still havent seen him. I'm working storm clean up. I'm barely keeping 4 people some kind of part time with work for 8. Its chainsaw work, 10 an hour with paid and provided meals for at least 6 months and potentially up to 12. Doesnt appear to me that the economy is too bad. Forget finding a CDL driver. I had a good one but hes in his 60s and his wife had a stroke so that leaves me as driver, engineer, and manager. I've let more work go in the last month because I cant find reliable help than I've ever had.

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kyplowboy

05-08-2009 12:59:41




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to kyhayman, 05-08-2009 07:49:18  
I hear ya hayman, the part about some one needing a job gets me on the soap box pretty quick. I have had alot of bad jobs while looking for a good one. About once a month I will be talking to some one while out and about who has a brother, an in-law, a son, you name it who is down on their luck and just can't get a job. Every time I talk to one of these people I act as sorry as I can be and give them my phone number. Tell them I have some honey locust trees that need to be cut, fences that need a weed eater walked around them, ditch banks that need cut off, or tobacco work and I have never had one of these poor souls call. Guess they are too hungry to work.

I had one local skank tell be about how he was not going to be able to pay to heat his house with propane last fall. His house has a fire place in it but he said fire wood made too much of a mess. He lives 3 miles from me. I told him that if he got cold enough I had a mile of creek banks that need cleaned off, I offered two saws, gas, oil, AND MY TRUCK all he had to do was cut the fire wood out and take it home. I was even going to clean up the tops. Guess the b****** didn't freeze, he was setting in the yard when I came home Tuesday morning from my night job, watch'n for the mail man!

All the white trash that draws checks around here have four or five b****** kids running around so I know they have enough energy to do something!!!!! !

Dave

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Billy NY

05-08-2009 10:26:29




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to kyhayman, 05-08-2009 07:49:18  
Sheesh, I mean no you won't get rich, but it's work, and you don't have some abusive boss pushing this and that, all you have to do is keep moving, enjoy your breaks and the day is over. Better jobs are hard to find, even with the best of qualifications, hard to figure why anyone would balk so much at doing this work, especially for some who is easy going, and I'll tell you, that food and drink would be highly appreciated, though I always bring my own, when it's hot or you're really pushing it, really helps and skipping making that lunch in the morning sure helps.

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Tom in TN

05-08-2009 06:15:37




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
wkfarmall,

The Tennessee Department of Labor is running ads in local newspapers in Tennessee for farm laborers to work the tobacco crop in North Carolina. I don't remember the details of the ads, but there is a certain guaranteed number of days that they will pay, etc. I think the ad says that the job lasts until November.

I'm not looking for a job, but if I were out of work I'd jump on the opportunity.

Tom in TN

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RodInNS

05-08-2009 05:50:15




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
The simple truth is that you just can't get anyone to do farm work around here anymore. There's some of them bringing in help around here for hort crops because they just can't get local help. It's not about money. People just won't do the work.
When you stop and figure out what it costs for them to bring these guys in here, have living quarters for them which are up to federal standards, pay them the same money as they would a local and then have to generally be responsible for and look after these guys... I think 14 bucks an hour fora local would be a DEAL. However, there's nobody willing to work for that around here. They might show up and screw around, but they won't WORK. Therin lies the problem...

Rod

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Ron in NS

05-08-2009 10:40:01




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to RodInNS, 05-08-2009 05:50:15  
I"m with you, Rod. From what our local news media shows, local farmers here in NS cannot get a local labourer to work in the fields or orchards anymore. That"s why some even have to FLY in workers from Central America/Caribbean to do the work that you and I did in our youth. I am sorry, but the "ME" generation and their self entitlement have ruined many local producers here, to the point where many farms aren"t even being worked anymore.

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greygoat

05-08-2009 05:40:15




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
Hi WKFARMALL..the problem with all of those millions of unemployed is that they wouldn"t
take or do farmwork or stoop labor even if they
were starving to death. Most will lay around in
front of the Tv drawing unemployment and food
stamps and whining about their "bad deal", but
WORK ! NO WAY!!



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Dave from MN

05-08-2009 05:18:56




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
What I see is a few issues. First and most, too many American men, feel they are above, working as a farm labor. America seems to have lost the sense of what "being a man" is, nowadays being a man is sitting in a sports bar, acting like you are still in high school and are competeing for the #1 cool jock wanna be award. Getting up early for a vigoruos work out at the golf range or in front of the tv on the Xbox and enjoying a Latte afterwards is also another new fad that makes one testicals grow, at least that how it seems. Another factor is the certain farmers that do not want to, or cant, pay a decent wage for labor. I help some friends when they need it and I get from $10 cash- $25/ hour, When I need help here I have no problem getting the hlp I need be it teenagers or adult friends, I pay $8.5-$15 depending on how hard of job it is and I also feed them good. I think alot of these migrants are working for a few dollars and hour and for cash, so that really drops the labor cost for some farmers. As far as finding help, most places have plenty of people looking for work right now, you just have to get the word out, recruit from high schools and collages, put a couple ads up at places people go when they are out of work. Pay a decent wage and realize that you may have to take the time to train, and also give the person some slack when they find their body is out of shape for farm work, you wear them out the first day, they wont be back the next because they will be in too much pain and will think it's gonna be like that every morning. I still feel my first point is the biggest issue, todays 'men' have too little testosterone, too much unearned pride, a bit of estrogen, and a bad case of " some one needs to take care of me'. There, I vented a little too about a few indiviuals I know that really are lacking on the "responsibility" in life acceptance. Cant wait for their emails after they read this.

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tlak

05-08-2009 09:03:01




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to Dave from MN, 05-08-2009 05:18:56  
You say because they don't have cajoles(sp) any more, but then you say you get all the labor you need by paying a decent wage, while the two KY posters can't get labor at what they pay. Now do they bring their cajoles with them or do you pass them out like shovels?



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Dave from MN

05-08-2009 09:46:48




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to tlak, 05-08-2009 09:03:01  
The Adults, that help me were raised to be men, hard working and true friends. They are not the norm anymore they are the exception. The kids that come and help are the same way, they like to work, take pride in earning something and saving for something they want. Again, the kids are the select few, different from the bunch of lazy, gansta wannabe's, that you see so much of these days. Good kids hang with good kids, so when work is available, the hardworkers tell their hard working friends and I actually can get plenty of help when needed. It helps to have a teenage daughter that is freinds with the "farm kids". To the point you were trying to make, yes there are still some areas of the each part of our country where there is good work ethic and men that want to be men, but the majority seem to want to live a rock star life, act like the are a teenager when they are in their 20'-30's and beyond, and do not want to work to support them selves. Watch Judge Judy or that Judge Mathies, they always have losers on there and the judges tell them the same thing. men in the USA are not what they were in the past. i hope my sons stay on the right track.

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ChrisinMO

05-08-2009 05:41:52




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to Dave from MN, 05-08-2009 05:18:56  
I had a boss once who based his keep or let go decision on a new guy's first day on the job. What my boss looked for was someone who would give 100% the first day. He assumed that the guy was going to fall apart in the first two weeks until he started to get in better shape, but how hard he tried the first day would tell you what his work ethic was.

Christopher



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05-08-2009 03:37:58




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 Re: Migrant Farm Workers in reply to wkfarmall, 05-07-2009 22:51:57  
You are probably a victim of stereotyping. It is hard to find hardworking American labor anymore. A rotten apple leaves long term distaste. i live in an area that is pure agricultural and the labor force is 90% hispanic. A small % of blacks and some whites. Most of the Hispanics are migrant,the ones who stay year round move on to jobs in construction and retail. perhaps you need to look for employment that will reward your work ethic.I applaud you because the day of the hard working ag worker is about gone.

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