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Jim from Pa

02-08-2009 09:37:07




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I was sitting on my tractor thinking about what this guy hade to say -

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

~~~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers , 1931 to 2005 ~~~

and came to the conclusion that maybe this stimulus package is not such a great idea.

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Spook

02-08-2009 18:50:06




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Tom in TN, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
You can be angry all you want. But the facts are:

Bin Laden is still out there. Saddam didn't knock down the towers.

4000 + of our finest young people got killed.

No weapons of mass destruction were ever found. They didn't exist.

BTW, this is the judgement of the milatary - they cite bad intellegence.

We are still blowing 13 billion a month in Iraq.
We have given billions to pakistan, with very little to show for it.

We are now going to fight the war we should have 7 years ago, Afghanistan.

But all this will go away if you turn off the TV. Or just listen to Rush. :lol:

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wolfman

02-08-2009 18:05:16




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
If you want to quickly stimulate the economy, you cut spending and lower taxes (like Reagan did). The tax more & spend more just doesn't work. Roosevelt tried that method and 17 years later after a major war things picked up!



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37chief

02-08-2009 17:52:21




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
That is why myself, and 47 million other people woted for the other two. We ain't seen nothing yet folks.Stan



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OhioD14

02-08-2009 17:36:56




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
30 years from now, we will be in the middle of a 800 trillion dollar bailout, 30 years ago we were doing a 800 million dollar bailout, and on and on, and on, and ..... ..... you starting to see a pettern here?



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NY 986

02-08-2009 17:30:13




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
Problem is society is too corrupt as a whole. Most people will find a way to p**s it away so you won't see the intended benefit in the economy. And I'll get on my trade deficit high horse and predict most of the money will go offshore with little heading back in turn. Everybody needs to see they have a stake in this and do the right thing. If we do not, I see this getting real bad and making us vulnerable to foreign powers.

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NY 986

02-08-2009 18:25:00




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to NY 986, 02-08-2009 17:30:13  
The wife thought I should explain what I mean't by corrupt. We have too many people in positions of power in business and government that did not get there by merit. Therefore, we do not have the best minds making decisions. I see this in my own community and can only imagine how bad it has to be across the U.S.. Would love to give examples, but I don't know who's looking on this site.



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bm wi

02-08-2009 16:47:06




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
Here's my 2 c's. Too much government intrusion into personal property,senate and house rep's do not care about the little people anymore. They made it and now you are on your own.How many times do you get to vote yourself a raise and have total control over your healthcare coverage?Your vote doesn't count, so they can make up pork laws,both dem's and rep. for their big backers.It was once said, " The american people are a bunch of cattle,you can lead them around by the nose." I think it was elanor roosevelt.Smart lady.More and more big Companys are moving out of country or overseas for cheap labor,and we are loosing jobs that can be great for the people, no jobs here,well lets just import some more cheap junk that people without jobs can't afford.Well no wonder there are so many people who give up and become bums,no one is proud of what they do,it's just a job.Now they are loosing that and have to find something else, well suprise,there is only fast food resturants,or some other low based pay job.Well I could go on but no sense getting a heart attack over what can't be fixed as things stand.

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Mike (WA)

02-08-2009 14:49:56




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
I couldn't agree more, but the problem is that more and more of us are unable to compete and succeed in a capitalist society. Many are too (pick your trait) dumb, lazy, retarded, fat, unmotivated, fecund, disabled, crooked, etc., etc. to do anything. Back in the depression, those folks either starved, or thier family took care of them. Now that divorce is so easy (and many don't even bother to marry), there is no family network like there was then, and nobody wants to take care of their kin anyhow, so they have made it a function of government. Its simply uncivilized to just let folks starve to death, so now guvment gives payments to any who can't make it on their own. Sad to say, too many are taking that option, so the Pauls outnumber the Peters about 6 to 4, and the balance is tipped. This is not going to turn out well.

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135 Fan

02-08-2009 13:12:41




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
Most people are sitting on the throne when they're thinking. Especially politians! Cuz most of the stuff they come up with is shoot. Dave



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rrlund

02-08-2009 12:10:29




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
Not to be a fatalist,I'm not in that kind of mood,but he's exactly right. Here's why I say "fatalist". I honestly believe that if you look at history,at the Roman,British,Soviet and other former Empires,you're looking at the last days of the US. We'll become what they have become. Small regional countries,such as everything west of the Rockies,New England,the Southeast,etc. We can't exist like this. Nobody else ever did and we aren't so special that we can deny the laws of physics and economics. Sorry folks,it's over eventially.

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rrlund

02-08-2009 13:05:39




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Free market guy, 02-08-2009 12:24:50  
I don't care if the guy has watermellons between his legs. It won't happen. It's too late. The citizens of this country won't allow the teat that everybody is suckling to be taken away as long as they have a vote to stop it. It'll be like the Soviet Unions fall. Imagine it,the government WAS their lives. They lived in government housing,went to jobs in businesses owned and controlled by government,they woke up one morning and without a shot being fired and any war,their country didn't exist anymore. That's the way it'll be here. Your State Government might still exist,but the Federal Government of the United States will be disolved,GONE,NO MORE,NEVER AGAIN. Hopefully,SOME region will start over with the original US Constitution as their giude,word for word as written and will be hugely sucessful,but you'd better hope you live in that region when the rebirth takes place,because you won't just walk in like crossing a state line or the Mexican boarder.

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Kent Petersen

02-08-2009 11:15:21




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
The only way to create new weath is from the land and water . you pump it out dig it out grow it out or catch it all the rest is just along for the ride



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dave2

02-08-2009 11:09:54




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to the Unforgiven, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  

Spook said: (quoted from post at 12:00:16 02/08/09) Actually worse. All those our young people dead, for absolutely nothing. And Bin Laden is somewhere laughing his azz off.


At least you had the balls to post your ignorant a$$ comment with your name on it.
Dave

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Spook

02-08-2009 15:22:53




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to dave2, 02-08-2009 11:09:54  

So, those 4000 young people - they aren't dead?

The terrorist's arn't still a threat?

They found the "weapons of mass destruction"??

Bin Laden has been killed or brought to justice?

We aren't spending 13 billion a month in Iraq?

Our economy isn't a wreck?

Pardon my "ignorance".



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kyplowboy

02-08-2009 10:38:13




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
I read a quote back durring the electon and don't know who said it but it turned out to be true.

"If you steal from Peter to pay Paul, you will always have Paul's vote. The trick is make'n sure you have more Pauls than Peters."

Kinda simple way to think of politics but how true it turned out to be.

Dave



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?? gov. spending

02-08-2009 10:26:47




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
If the government spent all the billions in this country that it spent in Iraq, (total waste by the way) And spent that money building roads/bridges/repairs/even schools in the USA. Our country would be in way better shape.

Spending US dollars in the middle east is like throwing it down the sewer.



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Spook

02-08-2009 11:00:16




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to ?? gov. spending, 02-08-2009 10:26:47  
Actually worse. All those our young people dead, for absolutely nothing. And Bin Laden is somewhere laughing his azz off.



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Phil in Pa

02-08-2009 11:33:06




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Spook, 02-08-2009 11:00:16  
Bin Laden is dead, for years now.

And I highly doubt he's laughing.



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Tom 43

02-08-2009 10:22:09




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
Thank you Mr. Hoover for your valuable insight.



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jhilyer

02-08-2009 10:12:12




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
...You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

True, but you can create wealth by creating jobs. I don't relish the thought of even more debt racked up on top of what we already had. But I'm starting to fear the alternative. TONS of people could be out of work (we're already seeing bigger unemployment numbers than expected). So I'm thinking a program to create jobs will help. Not a program that just hands out money.

Now, once we get people back to work, if we can just keep them from going and spending their paychecks on a bunch of foriegn-made crap! We need to keep the money here in the US.

I think that's the bigger problem - our money flowing out, then our government borrowing foriegn money...How can we keep that up?

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buickddeere

02-08-2009 12:04:08




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to jhilyer, 02-08-2009 10:12:12  
Government can not create real jobs and real wealth. Wealth comes from the ambition and hard work of the private sector. Any idea how much money was stolen off my paycheques last year to support government programs that accomplish zero. Except to employ government bureaucrats and teach lazy people they really don't need to work.



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LAA

02-08-2009 11:55:58




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to jhilyer, 02-08-2009 10:12:12  
The type of jobs that the stimulus package might create, road construction, ironworking and the asscociated support are exactly the type jobs that the average Obamma voter is too lazy to do -- thats why we have Mexicans in every county in the USA right now. The day I see a politician tell his or her core supporters to get off their butts, quit whining, stop waiting for a handout earned by someone else is the day I might start to believe in goverment intervention - in other words, NEVER.

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fergienewbee

02-08-2009 10:08:29




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to Jim from Pa, 02-08-2009 09:37:07  
So this post won't be deleted, I'll think about this great comment, while I'm working with my tractor.

Larry in Michigan



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tlak

02-08-2009 13:29:41




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to fergienewbee, 02-08-2009 10:08:29  
seems like if I post it gets deleted. Just say stuff that makes sense instead of a warped Repub view. Or if I mention Bush, Bush bush Bush
Start the clock to delete.



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dblair

02-08-2009 16:20:02




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to tlak, 02-08-2009 13:29:41  
when the people have the ability to vote the wealth of others to themselves they will. that's not the way it was set up 200+ years ago.



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Larry D.

02-08-2009 18:01:00




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 Re: Sitting on my Tractor Thinking in reply to dblair, 02-08-2009 16:20:02  
Well,, With this Current Administration, You are always going to have programs to support the programs to support OTHER Welfare Avenues, You gettin' the Pix Larry KF4LKU



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