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Is the economy really hurting?

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dej(jed)

11-12-2008 15:21:40




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You couldn't tell that anyone was hurting by the prices guys have on their tractors in the classifieds. No signs of anyone needing money on this web site.


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kruser

11-12-2008 17:49:07




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
I agree with IAGary completely - turn off the TV's and listen to common sense! This country has been built on survirors (way before the TV show) and will continue to be strong - unless we can not get our foriegn (sp) and domestic polices in order. In central Illinois, things are still going great - still have jobs for those who want to work, crops are pretty much out, I got a deer, etc. but it is getting a little colder. DANG ALLEN!

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pair-a-dice farm

11-12-2008 17:34:09




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
I really can't tell any difference, I've made more this year than last. Cattle prices are down but so is fuel and feed so it averages out. Arkansas usually is not affected as much by the highs and lows of the economy as some parts of the country. Jonesboro announced last month that there are 2 new factories starting up that will employ 1000 people and average $17 an hour. Most folks I know don't live beyond their income and they can survive for a while but not indefinitely.

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kyhayman

11-12-2008 16:30:45




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
I think some places are hurting worse than others. Here, it doesnt appear too bad, no more foreclosures than normal in the paper. Main things I've noticed... fewer cars on teh interstate at night, by 10-11 pm its almost deserted. Slower payments from my regular customers. Everyone is still paying their bills but they are definitely slower, usually I dont get the check until the day the account starts to get hit with interest. Now realestate, that I've seen a real hit in. I've got some property that I've had on the market since 2006. First few tracts back in 2004 sold like hotcakes, last one hasnt even had a strong nibble on in 6 months.

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IndianaRed

11-12-2008 16:30:44




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
I work for a delivery company, we can tell when the economy is doing well and not so. And now it is very not so. We usually average about 300 runs a day. Over the last 6 weeks we've dropped down to just over a hundred. Just like that, 2/3's of our business gone.

I have a feeling it's going to get really bad really soon.



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noncompos

11-12-2008 16:23:23




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
Retail Infosystems News (risnews.com) homepage main story is about 2008 store closings being 25% above last year (and that story dated 4-08!).
Four other stories are listed: three on closings and difficult retail environment, one on ten chains that are expanding, which their subhead calls "surprising".
Bankruptcies are returning to pre-change levels (the bkcy changes were supposed to greatly reduce bankruptcies by culling out the "opportunists").
Neither of these are very good signs, but, as already mentioned, many effects are localized. If you're doing well, count your blessings.

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John (C-IL)

11-12-2008 16:21:54




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
Different segments of the economy are affected differently. Here in Champaign County, IL it is difficult to find someone to hire that has a driver's license and/or a relatively clean criminal record. They tell us that the unemployment rate is 6.5% up from a normal 3.5% or so. That's about an additional 6000 people. All the while the total employed is actually up a little.

People have money, but the last six months has really messed with their budgets when it came to buy energy and food. Hence no one is buying cars, appliances, clothes and other durable goods.

The real sectors that are hurting is the manufacturing and financial sectors. I can imagine that the jobs that are creative in nature may also be hurting some as compaies aren't going to be in a hurry to hire architects, designers, some programmers and at some point the engineering segment may be hurt.

The folks that are taking it on the chin through no fault of their own are the retired folks that were planning on investments and savings to take them through their retirement years. Our local bank is paying .6% on savings accounts and 2.25% on 1 year CD's. It takes a darn big pile of money to survive on 2.5% interest. And then getting hit with a 50% reduction in your investment portfolio is a pretty tough nut to crack.

This whole deal didn't happen ovenight and it won't be solved any faster. But you have to have a little faith that there are some smart and ambitious people out there that will figure it out.

One final note. Some commented on people eating out a lot, but watch when you go to the grocery store how many people are buying convenience foods. Those ready to eat pop them in the oven or microwave meals that everyone buys. No one cooks anymore. But if you really want to save money watch what you buy at the grocery store very carefully.

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ben brown

11-12-2008 16:13:45




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
i think it be mid feb march before we see a real difference. that said friend of mine works at a factory in my area hopkinsville ky. there doing volintary day off to see if they can keep all working. one other friend works at a automitovie parts factory make parts for ford gm toyoto there slow, looking to start laying off line workers and managment type also. doesn't look good to him he a computer geek. so hes looking just in case.if i was still farming i would want to be rasing tobacco seem thoes guy are doing the best. as we been in a two year dry spell. things may be a whole lot different in the spring. i repair farm equipment and most my guys are tobacco farmers. with the price of fuel droping at least my cost well drop.its my bigest cost to my business. as it is to all who drive or farm. i bet input cost for farmer and parts wont drop.

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Roy Suomi

11-12-2008 16:14:47




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
I don't know..... .I've heard of all the lay-offs and closings..But I've done well.....I started out with nothing , and I still have most of that left..... ..



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Buzzman72

11-12-2008 16:11:40




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
The guys at the two Ford plants know that the one that builds Explorers will work two weeks this month and then close until after the first of the year...and the one that builds Super Duty trucks will only work 2 weeks in December. Then there's the folks who work at YUM corporate headquarters who heard that a couple of hundred folks there will be out of a job in the coming weeks. And that's just the two MAJOR announcements that hit the evening news in Louisville today.

So I guess if you weren't any of these folks--or you don't count on these folks to buy anything from the place where you work--then the economy's just fine, never been better.

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Mike M

11-12-2008 16:08:04




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
Well at the car dealership I work at the one tech says he can see a steady drop off starting back on 911 and I tend to agree with him. I guess those buildings were a bigger crippler then I first thought.



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Clint Youse MO

11-12-2008 16:02:23




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
Well I did my balance sheet i am worth more than I have ever been got more stuff paid for than I last remember I owe only on the farm for 4 more years and the two good vehicles we have. All the tractors and machinery are paid for all the livestock paid for around here the only people having a recession are the 10 that got laid off at the factory a couple weeks ago been to a few sales people buying like it is not going to be there tommorrow. We have a pantry fuel of canned good and a freezer full of meat so we will probably be alright for a little whil

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John M

11-12-2008 15:56:24




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
3 new companies coming to the county I live in. One will open the doors in a month or two, and the other 2 by the end of next year, over 1000 jobs.BUT..... ....the company I work for offered a package to the "older" employees.Most of them took it.



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noncompos

11-12-2008 16:33:11




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to John M, 11-12-2008 15:56:24  
John: Just out of curiosity, the three new companies:
What lines they in?
Built new plant or moved into existing vacant buildings?
New startups or companies moving from higher-cost (labor, taxes, transportation etc) locations?
Incentives (tax reduction etc) from locals?
Freightliner shut down prod here, moved part to somewhere in south, most to Mexico; good for plant in south, not so good for here.

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Jason1Pa

11-12-2008 15:47:09




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
Don't get me wrong the country is in trouble,but there still are a lot of people with money out there. However how long will that last?? Depends on the area you live in there are a lot of write collar jobs out there that still make over 100,000. Those are you computer people,and other fancey named job titles that no one really knows what the are.



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larry cook

11-12-2008 15:42:58




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
busy at regular job, they are in first stages to build a $120,000,000.00 plant. got 3 tractors that i use on the side to shred on deer leases and all three are on different leases. one of the leases also has an additional 4500 acres they would like me to take care of. got plenty of work here. also rent party supplies (tables,chairs,bouncing castles) and that has been steady as ever. no one here looking for work no more than normal. then again all i here is how bad it is goin to get.
larry cook

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Paul from MN

11-12-2008 15:40:01




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
Economic issues do not hit all segments of the economy at the same time or to the same degree.

If you have a job, to you there is not a recession.



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Vito

11-12-2008 15:34:56




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
Appears to me some are selling and alot of relisting going on all the time.If you ask me we've been a recession longer than 1 quarter.Goverment can spin the numbers anyway they want.Elections are over and you will probably see a revision on how long the recession has been going on.People go to resturants cause they are to lazy to cook.How many are paying cash?
That's my short version on this topic.
Vito

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Bryan in iowa

11-12-2008 15:33:32




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
Things are busy here in the shop . My part time gig at airport however looks to be headed south . DHL is in the dump and the Co that I work for ,that leases planes and ground equip to DHL is kinda in limbo right now,,,don;t look good. But ,part time gravey money there.I'll just have to buckle down and spend lil more time at shop . Keep fingers crossed . I think people in service sector will still be busy ,,or at least I hope so .

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RickL

11-12-2008 15:31:31




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
only recession I have seen is in the media eyes,and politicians. The only ones who are really affected in my area were the fellows who are trying to rebuild there homes that were flooded out. but the flood waters cause it not this so called recession



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thurlow

11-12-2008 15:27:38




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
Don't know; unemployment rates are going up, but you still have to wait in line at restaurants; wouldn't you think that (eating out) would be one of the first things folks would cut back on. I have personal knowledge of only 2 manufacturing facilities; plant manager in one is in the family; plant manager in the other is a personal friend; both of 'em are busier than they ever been.



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IaGary

11-12-2008 15:23:23




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to dej(jed), 11-12-2008 15:21:40  
If we would all shut off the news media, we would not know there is aproblem.

Media Made!

Gary



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Spook

11-12-2008 15:57:50




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to IaGary, 11-12-2008 15:23:23  
So what you don't know anything? If corn goes back to $2 will that be a recession for you?



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IaGary

11-12-2008 16:13:59




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to Spook, 11-12-2008 15:57:50  
Sold corn for $2.00 or less more than I have sold corn for more than $3.00 in the 32 years I have been farming.

So I guess I have been in a recession all my life.

It is all snow balling cause a few (very few) people bought more than they could afford.

People hear there is a recession so they quit buying. When they quit buying more people get laid off.

The media scared everyone into hoarding their money. No money in circulation means nothing to build.

Haven't heard of a single soup line in Iowa yet.

Gary

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Spook

11-12-2008 16:40:14




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to IaGary, 11-12-2008 16:13:59  
Maybe there aren't any in Iowa, I hope that there won't be. The soup kitchens and shelters are full here. Most repos here are due to job losses, since Michigan has lost 400,000+ jobs since 2000. And that doesn't count all the self employed guys. They don't count I guess. As far as I see, the economic problems have been under reported, not magnified. But in Michigan, we always get hit harder in recessions, people can usually put off new cars and appliances.

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OLD FART

11-12-2008 15:29:46




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to IaGary, 11-12-2008 15:23:23  
if you think thers not a problem check how much you are worth today agaist what you were worth say in july or even a year ago at this time then go to buy something and see if its half price it was then LARRY



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rrlund

11-12-2008 15:26:47




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 Re: Is the economy really hurting? in reply to IaGary, 11-12-2008 15:23:23  
Got that right. I'm just waiting for somebody to say "you can't tell me we're not in a recession". I want to say "all right,we're in a recession. How's your life any different than it was 10 seconds ago before I said it?"



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