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jdemaris

09-16-2008 17:59:58




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I cut down two large hard maples today, both close to 100 years old. My little kid had been asking about watching me cut one down, so I waited until my wife was home to hang on to him.

I've cut trees for 40 years and never used any saftey equipment - except when I worked for Asplundh and was forced to wear a helmet once in awhile when climbing. Any way, my point being I've never been hurt while wood cutting or tree felling.

Well, at my wife's insistance, I now wear a seat belt maybe 1/2 the time in the car or truck if she's in there with me. And today, wore ear protection. That's what got me in trouble. I've got new ear protectors with a built-in radio. So, I was listening to Rush Limbaugh, cutting down these trees - and . . Well, all came down fine, nice big crash for my kid. Then, all of a sudden, I had "flies" all over me and I instinctively started swatting them with my hand. Then, finally some intelligence kicked in and I realized they were not flies. I'd just cut down a bee-tree with a very active, and large hive of honey bees. If I hadn't been wearing those stupid ear protectors - I'd heard them! I yelled to my wife to grab the kid and run, and followed closely behind. We just made it back to the house, maybe 500 feet way, with the bees chasing us and bouncing off our faces. My wife got a few stuck in her hair.

I couldn't go back and get my truck or saws until dark. Funny, I've had angry squirrels, raccoons, hornet nests, etc. get in my way when tree cutting - but first time this ever happened.
I suspect maybe they weren't as noticeable because it was cool today and they weren't buzzing around to much until I dropped the tree.

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Traditional Farmer

09-18-2008 04:28:49




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
Wearing ear protection doesn't mean also listening to the radio.Anything thats takes away
from your full attention while running a chainsaw is going to get you into trouble.Just the other day a jogger wearing headphones went across the road in front of me,fortunately for both of us I figured what she was going to do.Hope she got a lesson in paying attention when I hit the horn on my F550 while she was about 20 ft from me in the middle of the road andnot a clue I was there.

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jdemaris

09-18-2008 06:43:17




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to Traditional Farmer, 09-18-2008 04:28:49  
Hmmm ... I used to work with an old-timer at a Deere dealership-shop that complained about anybody having a radio on - when driving or working on a tractor. He claimed it was dangerous.
Hey, maybe he was right. He was smoking a Marlboro one day and turning a 3/4" wrench on a Deere dozer - and dropped dead of a heart attack. Guess doing two things at a time did him in. With me? I can chew gum, turn a wrench, and listen to the radio and get by pretty well. Gotten away with it for a long time.

It depends on who is operating the equipment. I've driven cars and trucks with the radio on for 40 years and zero accidents.

As far as having the radio in the headphones - doesn't distract me from the work at all. It's more like "white noise" than anything else. Many people can do two, maybe three things at a time without getting hurt. All depends on who's doing it.

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JK-NY

09-17-2008 20:05:18




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
Glad to hear no one got stung too bad. No Bees = One more reason why I like cool/cold waether for cutting wood.Hows that new Makita saw ? I looked at one at the Empire Farm Days but they couldnt tell me much about it (who made it, where made etc).



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jdemaris

09-18-2008 05:49:43




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to JK-NY, 09-17-2008 20:05:18  
I love the saw. But, I guess I'm also easily impressed since I haven't had a new saw for over 20 years. My point being, I suppose there are many other saws that perform as well with the same light weight. Longevity will be a thing to watch.

Ask me 20 years from now, if I'm still alive, and I'll be able to give a better review.

I bought the Makita because it seems they are low-balling prices to get a presence in the US professional saw market. It's a popular professional saw in Europe, and I've read a lot of good things about it. The US version is downsized. It's actually built on a bigger saw platform with a smaller jug and piston. This is 64 ccs. but a 74 cc jug and piston will go on it with no other changes. I paid $500 for it with $8 shipping and no tax. The saw appears to be very well built, starter feels abnormally solid and HD, crankcase is all magnesium - not plastic, and it has a nice-working compression release. I cut up a bunch of 36" diameter hard maples yesterday and . . . with sharp, full chisel 20" chain - it cuts just as fast as my Stihl 056 Magnum. Probably won't lug as well - but I don't ever lug a saw, anyway. The Stihl 056 is 94 ccs. and weighs 17 lbs. This Makita Dolmar is 64 ccs. and weighs 13.5 lbs.

I was pretty used to the Stihl as far as weight - but after using this Makita for a few hours, the Stihl feels like a boat acnhor. Anyway, I'm impressed. In fact, I'm going to keep my eyes open for another Makita if any deals pop up.

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cadet trooper

09-17-2008 16:46:04




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
You know honey bees really are our friends although they just don't like someone invading their space kinda like us. We couldn't have our fruit and most hay without them but don't get me wrong I give them their space. Nice Stihl chainsaw looks like mine best and worst saw I've owned I'm not a wood cutter so I like the break once in awhile when they don't start after running them for an hour or so mine you just shut it off and it starts everytime UGH! I never listen to RL so I guess I'm uninformed.

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Spook

09-17-2008 06:08:50




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
Maybe God doesn't want you listening to Rush...



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scott#2

09-17-2008 05:05:19




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
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You might want to do as I did, good for the crops.

scott#2



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trucker40

09-18-2008 19:31:51




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 Re: Trucker - you are still a free man?? in reply to jdemaris, 09-18-2008 07:12:16  
Look there is matter and antimatter supposedly in the universe,from back when I went to school.I think there are people that are like that to each other.

The biggest thing that really gets me mad is Rush Limbaugh and the others,who promote this class thing,like Rush talks about people he calls "top drawer"like they are a priveledged club,then they spin all this propaganda and screw these poor folks out of their livlyhood,sernd their job overseas,cut their benfits and pay,and basically reduce the way of life for them and you are good with that?

Ill admit I get sarcastic with you,I know you are smart,at least you think you are,and possibly may be.Except here is a question for you,how does going to college classes make you smarter,or exclusive,or top drawer,when nobody is supposed to be better than anybody else?

A lot of what you need to learn was in Sunday School and Church or beat into you by life.

You were succesful,fine.That dont make you better or exclusive.I am no psychiatrist,Im a mechanic.You can get lots of people to tell you besides David Ikes,whats wrong.You can learn that you arent any better than anybody else.Heck I dont care.However you are going to make me and lots of other people mad if you let Rush Limbaugh tell you what to think,or any of the other scum on the talk radio conservative side.There will be more later,I have something else to do.

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trucker40

09-17-2008 20:03:02




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 Re: About Rush Limbaugh - and no politics from me here in reply to trucker40, 09-17-2008 19:43:01  
Oh yeah and I really like the title Rush Limbaugh and no politics from me here,then you bash folks on Air America?The whole bunch of them are sorry and would starve if they had to work for a living.Its pure politics,thats all it can be.If you want to learn something theres David Ickes(spelling?)who is on Coast to Coast AM tonight Wednesday I think 11 PM eastern time on probably your AM junker you have.You need to tune him in if you can,might change your mind.He has a website,and he is from England,but he is in the USA a lot and knows very well whats going on.There are lots of others besides him,but he makes it plain to understand.

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Mike M

09-17-2008 06:35:37




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 Re: About Rush Limbaugh - and no politics from me here in reply to jdemaris, 09-17-2008 06:08:24  
I catch a very little of his show and Glenn Beck some days. I don't understand why people have such hate toward them ? These guys state their positions,back it up with why they do and the facts. Plus they have a sense of humor ! In the little bit of time I hear them I get an amazing amount of news way before you hear about it on the TV or regular radio stations. These guys really are on the cutting edge. If you don't like them just turn it off.But don't demonize them.

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Mike M

09-17-2008 06:40:42




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 Re:should also add in reply to Mike M, 09-17-2008 06:35:37  
If you guys want someone to hate check into what all George Soros has been doing in his plans for a world wide gun ban and all the money he gives Oboma so he can help him carry out this plan. Now this is the kinda stuff you NEED to get in a uproar about !!!



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Dave 2N

09-17-2008 04:34:48




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
Classis "bee tree!" My gramps was a bee man and he could follow a bee to a tree. He knew about all of the bee trees in the area.



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jose bagge

09-17-2008 04:34:26




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
I've got a lil' Isuzy flatbed almost like yours- mines red and a diesel...front torsion bar mount rusted away on it and I've gotta do some welding before we can use it again on the farm.

gotta watch them bees... I blow up like a balloon when stung



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jdemaris

09-17-2008 05:35:14




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jose bagge, 09-17-2008 04:34:26  
Yeah, mine's a diesel also. With the 4WD and 2.2 diesel, it makes a great little buggy around the farm. I use it like an oversized wheel-barrow. It's so small, I can get into tight places my bigger trucks won't fit.

About the frame - yeah, they are usually a mess. My truck, believe it or not, only has 55,000 original miles on it and it's a 1985. A large construction company bought it new and never put plates on it. They used in a large contruction material storage yard and used it for transporting materials around, for years. The frame completely rusted out, and they put it in their welding shop one winter - and completely re-did the entire frame. They did a really good job, but I suspect the little truck is a lot heavier now. Exspecially with the diamond plate steel bed in back and the pipe racks. That being said, going down the road it gets 27-30 MPG and it has no overdrive (wish it did). Just a 4 speed manual trans. The 3.41 axles make the engine humm a bit at 65 MPH.

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VADAVE

09-17-2008 03:53:29




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
The local bee man would like to talk to you. Find one in the phonebook and I'll beet he be out there to put them in a hive and carry them away.
I've done it a couple of times, it's a good way to increase your number of hives.



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jdemaris

09-17-2008 05:43:22




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to VADAVE, 09-17-2008 03:53:29  
I know several bee keepers and none are interested. They've had many requests lately from people with "bee problems." We already have a huge hive in the upstairs or our house that we've been trying to get rid of all summer. They are still there.

The New York conservation department has been saying that NY has a bee shortage. Well, they ought to come to our place. We have a bee hive inside the walls of our house, and a bee tree down by one of my ponds. So, this one I cut down is the third near our house that I know of. Funny thing is, with the other bee tree - you can hear then buzzing from a long way off. This one I cut down, I didn't hear a thing and had no idea they were there. If I'd known, I would of left them alone. I certainly didn't need that tree down now. It's just part a long-range plan of enlarging a small frog-pond that's near it.

I will say, our field of pumpkins did very well this year. NO pollination problems.

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fergienewbee

09-17-2008 01:05:37




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
Hvaen't seen many honey bees this year, except when my buckwheat and goldenrod blossomed.

Larry in Michigan



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Oliver Power

09-17-2008 01:03:04




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
One winter , I was cutting up a log for firewood , when all of a sudden , lots of blood was flying out with wood chips. Apparently the log had a hollow spot , and I assumed I cut through a coon. As I rolled the two halves apart , a big ball of snakes rolled out from each half. Snakes were everywhere. All different colors of snakes. Apparently , snakes pay no attention to the saying "Birds of a feather,flock together".

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Davis SC

09-16-2008 21:11:05




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
I have made a lot of employees angry, making them take off the headphones.. Quite a serious distraction.. I have done some tests, wearing phones, while trying to performs various tasks.. My Feeble mind cannot cope with the phones and the job..

Glad you are OK, I agree that the cooler weather must have slowed the bees down a bit..



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37chief

09-16-2008 20:39:57




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
Chain saw joke: This guy rents a chain saw. Brings it back a week later, and said the blade must be dull, it took me a week to cut down my tree. The guy at the shop said I will check it out. He starts the saw on the first pull, and revs the motor. The other guy runs out screaming. What's that loud noise, what's that loud noise.Stan



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2x4

09-17-2008 00:23:25




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to 37chief, 09-16-2008 20:39:57  
Stihl chain saws aired this ad over the radio in late 70's. I've still got the old tape reel of about 10 of'em, 30 seconds apiece.



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Davis SC

09-16-2008 21:02:28




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to 37chief, 09-16-2008 20:39:57  
Funny Joke... I heard it since I was a kid.. I grew up near the next town over from the Homelite Plant... Some neighbors worked there.. I heard a lot of jokes and stories over the years. 8^)



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Billy NY

09-16-2008 19:27:26




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
oofla, you hit the jackpot with that one, kind of a crapshoot, but unless you scan the tree with binoculars first, as well as the odds of this actually happening, you sure got a live one today !

I'm all for safety gear, unless it really gets in the way, don't like running a saw unless I've got hearing protection and eye protection, have never wore the chaps, but will be getting a pair soon, as I realize, as careful as one is, it don't take much.

I like the soft ear plugs on a string, you can adjust them in your ear to allow some noise to get through or put em in tight, though I can hear someone speak, it sure takes the bite out of the noise, my ears are so darned sensitive, I can't deal with any machinery or pounding of metal etc. etc. Firetruck goes by, kind of know how the dogs feel now, not sure but they'e always been that way, chainsaw is no different, but no way I'd have those with a radio when cutting trees.

Well that is one memory your son will remember, wanted to see a tree fall, got a little extra experience there, and no harm done, 'cept those badly needed bees might be in a bad spot, good thing no one was allergic either.

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C. Amick

09-16-2008 19:05:27




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
It's too late in the year to try to save the bees. They won't make it through the year without a hive full of honey. I guess you could leave the bees and honey in there and set the log back up on its end and strap it to another tree.



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farmerboy

09-16-2008 18:53:06




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
Like Cadet trooper says - Don't kill those bees! I'm sure a local beekeeper would get them for you and bee happy to do so

Bill in WI



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Fawteen

09-16-2008 18:25:57




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
I am NOT a Safety Nazi, and I'd be the last person to chide anyone for unsafe practices, but your experience reinforces an opinion I've held for some time:

Ear "protection" that replaces one noise with another is a spectacularly stupid idea. Not only does it impair your ability to hear warning signs, it distracts your attention from a job that truly requires your full concentration.

Same concept applies to talking on the telephone (hands free included) while driving.

My opinion, you're welcome to yours.

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ldj

09-16-2008 19:59:37




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to Fawteen, 09-16-2008 18:25:57  
I don't understand. What is the difference in talking on a hands free cell while driving and talking to someone sitting in the passenger seat? I can't believe you are anyone will drive and not talk to anyone in the car.
I could question the difference in listing to a radio while cutting wood or driving. The way our government is, if there was even the smallest danger of listing to a radio while driving, they would prohibit radios in cars. OH MY! I hope big brother doesn't read this and get any ideas.

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Bob

09-17-2008 06:09:50




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to ldj, 09-16-2008 19:59:37  
I don't know about you, but if I'm in heavy or unusually dangerous traffic, any riders in the car shut up. (Or WALK.)



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Fawteen

09-17-2008 03:20:42




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to ldj, 09-16-2008 19:59:37  
Well, frankly, that's a good question.

In my case, my hearing is bad enough that I have to concentrate really hard to hear anyone on a regular phone, much less a cell phone. The person sitting next to me is much easier to hear, but, while driving, there have been times when I have to tune them out too when things got tense.

Like, while driving through NY on the Cross Bronx Expwy just the other day.

Radios are mostly just noise to me in any situation, and on the odd occasion when I listen to one in the car, it's classical, not talk radio.

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09-16-2008 18:36:49




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to Fawteen, 09-16-2008 18:25:57  
Yesterday driving down a back road I was overtaking a bicyclist when he suddenly crossed to the other side of the road about 15 feet in front of me. He was wearing one of those walkman things so he didn't hear me, just saw me out of the corner of his eye as I slid towards him. he gave me a little "Thanks for not running over me" wave.



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Bob

09-17-2008 06:23:55




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to showcrop, 09-16-2008 18:36:49  
"He gave me a little "Thanks for not running over me" wave."

That was DARNED thoughtful of him!



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Fawteen

09-16-2008 18:41:03




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to showcrop, 09-16-2008 18:36:49  
Another excellent example.



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6U684

09-16-2008 18:20:06




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
I would have fared worse, a stroke listening to Limbaugh!



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IH2444

09-16-2008 19:54:32




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to 6U684, 09-16-2008 18:20:06  
Yeah not sure which would be worse Rush or the chainsaw noise.



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2x4

09-16-2008 18:10:17




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
Now you know what the definition of "SURPRISE" is. Cutting timber one time, came to big old tree to cut, felled it right where I wanted, into some brush. Needing to top it, I jumped up on the log & walked down it, parted some brush & walked right into a swarm. Went down the log a lot faster than I'd went up. Luckily, no stings because they were still so confused. Went back with a friend & we got bees & the honey.

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cadet trooper

09-16-2008 18:08:59




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 Re: Chain sawing calamity - almost . . . in reply to jdemaris, 09-16-2008 17:59:58  
I'm glad everyone is OK the most amazing thing is call an experienced beekeeper in and they can vacate that thing in just a short time and lots of honey. I've seen it done a couple times it is awesome they bring in a smoker pull out the queen put her in a frame box tap on the box and thay all just fly in. I of course watched from several yards away. LOL



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