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Which One?? 9N or 8N???

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BuffDaddy

05-23-2008 20:24:19

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Greetings All:
New to old tractors, seek your expertise.

Have about 6 acres to keep groomed, looking for a Ford 9N or an 8N. Would also like a pull along finish mower to run off rear PTO.. Here is my question: Would I be better going with an 8N since it is more refined than the 9N??

Seems prices in my area, (IA) are kinda crazy for either of these tractors :-((

Look forward to your help in this matter, like I stated earlier, new to these tractors.

THANKS in advance, look forward to your replies.

Buff

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Leroy

05-25-2008 14:16:41

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

The 8N has a bit more power and you can get an aftermarket hitch that bolts to the differential housing that is what you need if you pull a trailer or anything else like that, the 9N and 2N that a lot of people mistake for a 9N are 3 speed tractors and do not have a position control that the 8N does on the 3 point hitch. The 9-2N have only the 11 hole cross drawbar to pull with and with a hitch pin load it will move around too much for safty. And having been around the 2N for 64 years and am 64 years old have never ever heard of anybody except Buick and Deere that had problems with overturning. Lot more Deere and Allis have been overturned than Fords. For you the lower the tractor the better, do not buy a row crop trycical type tractor. I have both a 41 9N and a 44 2N bought new in may of 44. That 2N has done every job on the farm for years. Plowed, disked, harrowed, planted, cultivated, mowed, raked, baled, pulled combine on PTO, pulled forage harvester on PTO, pulled corn picker PTO. The people that think a Ford is too small to do work just grew up with the larger farms of the west than the smaller farms of the east. Used manure loader for many years also. For your use sounds like a 8N would be better because of the position control on the 3 point hitch. I would like the brakes to use better on the 8N as well as you have both sides good turning brakes with both brakes with seperate pedals on the right, safer than the combination clutch-left brake on the 2-9N tractors. You do need that overrunning clutch on the pto tho and the same is tru for the newer tractors with the 4 speed transmissions and the 5 speed tractors that do not have live PTO. They are both good, just have to know what you are doing and fit the implements to them.

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495man

05-25-2008 09:09:40

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

If your heart is set on one of the two, so be it, but I wouldn't pick either, there are many better choices and something you'll actually be able to do some work with. The 9N/8N etc was revolutionary in it's day but that was back in the late 1930's and 1940's. I'm sure a decent 2wd 1970's or even 1980's tractor would be better suited to what you want. I'd nominate an MF 135 or IH 454 or similar.

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buickanddeere

05-24-2008 12:30:31

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

Lots of good advice. Those 2N,9N,8N are the most over rated and of least use to anybody I've ever seen. Most dangerous too. Have a look at the stats of which model of tractor is laying on top of it's driver.
If it doesn't have live pto, remote rear hydraulics, a real drawbar,decent brakes and stability. Leave it for for some fool and their money.
With the extreme high price of scrape steel, the demand for used equipment so small acreage owners could throw in a quick crop of wheat or corn with this years prices. Yet the downturn in the manufacturing sectors .
You can walk into a dealership and drive home something new with warranty, modern features, safety equipment and no previous abuse. For little more than finding a 20+ year old machine and repair age, accident normal wear & tear items.
I purchased a name brand early 1980's tractor & loader a couple of years ago. After the clutch, alternator, all hydraulic hoses, rotten rims from calcium, all tires/tubes,seat, and minor repairs to little odds and ends everywhere. I did almost all the work myself, not even counting my time. With parts, fuel to run for parts and the purchase price paid. I'm within a couple of paycheques of a new 2008 tractor in expenses. And what do I have? A fixed up 1980 tractor for almost the price of a new 2008 tractor. Duh was I ever short sighted the day I made that purchase.

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davpal

05-25-2008 22:25:57

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to buickanddeere, 05-24-2008 12:30:31

And with all your knowledge, wisdom, education, and income you would think you would have bought a new 2008 utility tractor to replace the old outdated 1980. Kind of sound like a hypocrite to me. Remember, its the internet. You can tell us you have a brand new deere with a cab, air, and stereo and we will never know the difference or really care.

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Lance in Brenham, TX

05-25-2008 07:46:33

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to buickanddeere, 05-24-2008 12:30:31

Maybe you should start a website for yuppies that buy new tractors...This is a website popular with people who love OLD tractors. Enjoy your new foreign made tractor. I guess you drive a Jap car too, huh?

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buickanddeere

05-25-2008 18:15:00

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to Lance in Brenham, TX, 05-25-2008 07:46:33

Looks like you resent people with more education and income than yourself. Well just who is blame there? For the blindly loyal to Ford folks. Who want to spend serious bucks for a transmission driven pto tractor with no drawbar, no hydraulics, no diff lock and a gasser engine. Go and spend similar bucks on a domestic Massey 35,135,235,65,165,265. As for foreign vs. domestic production. Ever take a look at the fine print on "North American" equipment from the past 50 years and see where it was really built? I own and drive GM myself. All three were built in Michigan so that does make them those d*mmed foreign vehicles.

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davpal

05-25-2008 22:17:11

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to buickanddeere, 05-25-2008 18:15:00

Buddy, I think everybody on this board has had enough of your ignorant and arrogant posts you put on here on a daily basis. I have never in my life read somebody who mentions income and education more on an old tractor board than you. You are not exactly a rocket scientist. The guys you are replying to don't reveal their level of education or income on every post so you really don't have any idea who you are talking to. The original question was which tractor should he buy? 9n or 8n? Your brilliant response, as always was for him to go and get a new tractor because that would be better. Do you think so dumbsh@t? In a word, you hijacked the thread to get everybody to think you know more than anybody reading this board at all times. How much did you help in his response? The rollover thing. Where is that coming from on the 9n? I have had one for 25 years and never had the thing even close to tipping. I mow ditches all the time.There are probably 50 of them around here and I have never heard of anybody even tipping one over. Another case of you shooting your mouth off when you shouldn't be. How can you say to a guy that he resents somebody with more education and income than him? You don't know the guy and you don't know his education or what his income is. Sam Walton drove a 1979 F-150 with a dog box in the back and a topper. He must have been one of the ignorant poor folks like the rest of us. You are just a shallow lack of charactor person that has no soul. And remember, don't write to people on here in a manner that you wouldn't talk to them if they were standing in front of you in person. I for one know you are weasel behind a keyboard.

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buickanddeere

05-25-2008 23:25:50

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to davpal, 05-25-2008 22:17:11

Hey Dave Just calling a spade a spade. Sorry if you were offended when your favorite concept was challenged. Common event here or at work when I pencil out the actual savings of the new diesel pickup somebody bought. They get all emotional and upset when they are shown in front of their buddies that pickup will be 8-20 years old to just break even over a gasser. Then mention they only use it as a car on the highway. At most they need a AWD mid sized vehicle that costs 1/2 as much, burns 1/2 the fuel and a small trailer. Or they could have just drove their old vehicle another 2-5 years and saved even more. Too many new to tractor purchasers wish they had purchased something else if they "had only known". The little Fords are way over rated.They also come up for sale so often because people are looking to upgrade. May as well tell them they could have something with a real drawbar, live pto, diff lock, diesel engine, remote hydraulics, power steering etc. For similar money to the less capable Ford 8N/9N. I even mention Massey as good value even though my blood runs green. Ever notice? As for all the boo-hooing about fuel prices. Just how can some people figure they are so entitled upper middle class luxuries while on a lower class income? Mill jobs in your home town don"t qualify. They cry poor but they never have, don"t know and never will do anything about it. They would rather just complain. Surprise, the wealthy are not wealthy because they stole your money. It"s an almost forgotten concept called delayed gratification. Otherwise forget about the powersport equipment and drive an econobox to keep the fuel bill down. The chipped, jacked up, big tired, crew cab 4X4 or SUV is a luxury not a necessity. Either get a high paying income or build a prosperous business and make some investments. Dropping out of school make the 1st real difficult and the 2nd more of a challenge. I am aware that more students who earned A"s do work for people who earned C"s in school. And really, weasels are not all that bad.

b&d

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tractormiallis

05-24-2008 12:21:17

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

Get away from those over rated fords, 8n and 9n's are too low to the ground, lack power and dont have live pto. Get an Allis Chalmers WD or WD45 for the same $. Then you have hydraulics, live pto with hand clutch so you can slow down in tall grass, and you are up higher off the ground.

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Walt davies

05-24-2008 09:17:38

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

I paid $5900 for a Kubota L285 "77" model with loader and plow, disc and harrow. I wouldn't it a hand full of those old Fords. I see them all around me broken down waiting for parts while mine is still working the farm mowing hay, running a bush-hog and baling hay raking and cleaning the barn.
Walt
PS its also diesel. 30 HP about the same size as an 8N but much better tractor.

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James22

05-24-2008 07:59:53

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

We had a 9N with the 3 spd with 2 speed over/under, that thing would fly. I was too young to drive our 9N but much later did drive a relative's similar 9N. Father-in-law had a 8N for 20 years which really was nicer and never had the mentioned leaking rear axle phenomenon. We had a Ford built PTO adapter that bolted on rear end which converted the PTO shaft to the standard size. We traded the 9N for an OHV engine Ford model 640 with live hydraulics in 1956 and sill have that tractor. I would go for the 8N or something newer.

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Lanse

05-24-2008 05:49:02

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

Like someone said, you'll need an

overrunning clutch

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Jim wj

05-24-2008 04:50:25

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

I would recommend going a little newer
posibly into the 2000 series. I grew up on the farm here with a ford 9N and it seemed the best
thing it could do is pull the garden cart. I recently purchasd a ford 2110 for the
kids to do lite chores with. works great and good
on gas. And it cost me less than 4000.00

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Bret4207

05-24-2008 04:49:21

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

Get something that isn't a collectors tractor. You can pick up decent early 60's tractors for the same price as the over rated Fords and have a lot more tractor with a lot more tractor.

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mjbrown

05-24-2008 04:25:31

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

I had a 9N and I was thrilled when someone showed up who wanted it. I hope it didn't kill him like it tried to do me. Poor brakes, poor, non standard PTO, distributor hates damp weather, lacks power,lacks hydraulic outlets...must I go on? In short, N tractors are at the top of the must avoid list ESPECIALLY if the prices are "kinda crazy".

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davpal

05-23-2008 23:09:55

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

I have had my 9n for 25 years and have had the opportunity to work on lots of 9n's and 8n's for all the neighbors. Myself, I prefer the 9n because it has a much more simple rear brake and axle arrangement. 8n has those funky tapered axles and I have never seen any that weren't leaky and loose. Yes you can service them but the 9n just is better in that respect. Also most of the 9n's will have some form of a sherman hi-low on the trans. 9n has 3 speeds but the hi-low gives you 6. 8n has a 4 speed and 1st and reverse are a touch fast. 8n has thicker cylinder sleeves that seem to be a bit better. I actually put a thick sleeve 8n block in my 9n. My tractor has so many hours on it and it's still very reliable. I just brush hogged today with a five foot JD brush hog doing roadside. I use it constantly to move stuff like car and snowmobile trailers around with the front bumper. Very handy. Just used it on the fertilizer wagon the other day. Tomorrow I need to go and use the 6 1/2 foot disk I bought to disk up some ground to plant some sunflowers. I used it a couple of weeks ago to dig out a ditch with the rear scraper blade. Ditch was about 3 feet deep and had a lot of growth in the bottom that needed to be cleaned out. After I did it with the backhoe I ran up and down with the 9n and peeled it out really nice and finished it. I also use this thing all winter to plow tons of snow here in Michigan. Either model will take care of 6 acres like a champ. I would find the one that runs, has a good electrical system and good lights, and one that the 3 point works good. If you want to run a brush hog you need a $50 dollar overrunning coupler too. Good luck.

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Tradititonal Farmer

05-23-2008 22:54:19

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

You'd be better off with a tractor that has LPTO
and decent hydraulics

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george md

05-23-2008 22:39:40

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

I ran 8N's when they were new .
Around here they are called a mailbox tractor,
just big enough to go get the mail . buy a real tractor.

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john in la

05-23-2008 22:21:26

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

I agree with Old..... ...
None of the above.

Can you tell us why you are stuck on these models.
Is there a true reason or is it your lack of knowledge from being new to tractors.

Move up a few years to the hundred series like the 600 or 601 series.
For the same money you will get live hyd and may even be lucky enough to find a 660 or 661 that has live PTO.

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old

05-23-2008 22:10:23

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

None of the above. 9N, 2N or 8N are over rated at best and for the money you can buy a Jubilee or NAA or 600 series for about the same price and have a lot better tractor.

Hobby farm

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dbernie

05-23-2008 21:58:00

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

I think you need a 2N (same as a 9N), 'cause that's what I have for sale :D
Runs / operates /needs some TLC

$1350 obo---MAKE OFFER

more pics at:
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located near Champaign, IL

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GA Dave

05-23-2008 20:41:57

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Re: Which One?? 9N or 8N??? in reply to BuffDaddy, 05-23-2008 20:24:19

8N. David...

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