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OT: Electric water heaters (tankless)

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gun guru

05-21-2008 13:38:18




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Does anybody here have an electric water heater?

The price of propane is making me think that I should get a tankless water heater with an electric element heater. If you have one see what the amperage is and fill me in here on the power usage, Propane is now $2.50/gallon for the prebuy for next winter. (Ouch!)




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buickanddeere

05-22-2008 11:35:14




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 Re: OT: Electric water heaters (tankless) in reply to gun guru, 05-21-2008 13:38:18  
3 gpm of water raised 60F by a 240V 60amp service is no problem.



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jdemaris

05-21-2008 15:47:44




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 Re: OT: Electric water heaters (tankless) in reply to gun guru, 05-21-2008 13:38:18  
Do some math first. Even with propane at $2.50 a gallon, you may not save anything by going to electric. It all depends on what you're paying for electricity. Don't pay attention to the separate KWh charge - all that counts is how many KWhs per month you use and what your total montly bill is.

Tankless heater uses the same power to heat water as a tank heater does - except the tank heater uses a little more keeping that water warm when in stand-by. If well insulated, it doesn't use much.

Tankless gives an advantage if you have several areas in the house that need hot water and are distant from your main tank heater. A lot of hot water can be wasted making those long runs. For that sort of thing, several small tank heaters can save some money. If you install one large central tankless heater - it doesn't offer a big gain.

A tankless heater has to do the job fast, and even a small spot heater needs a large circuit. Tankless works off a temperature rise - not a preset heat temp. So, the colder your incoming water is - the worse performance you get from it.


A typical Bosch tankless heater capable of bringing incoming 55 degree F water up to 105 degrees F at 3 gallons per minute - needs a 240 volt line with 40 amps draw on each leg.

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Dan-IA

05-21-2008 19:20:19




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 Re: OT: Electric water heaters (tankless) in reply to jdemaris, 05-21-2008 15:47:44  
Well I'm too cheap to buy a real one, so I bought plans and built one. Cost me about $150 in galvanized pipe and $30 for the hot water heater repair kit with thermostats and elements.

Let's do some math: 3000w per element x 2 =6000w
6000w /240 = 25A.

Oh I also installed a manual disconnect and a pressure switch to control it according to water usage. It does pretty good for my shower...

But I'm told it's not good for a family of 3 or more, if you want the tankless to supply the whole house's hot water.

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dave2

05-21-2008 14:40:17




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 Re: OT: Electric water heaters (tankless) in reply to gun guru, 05-21-2008 13:38:18  
See if this site helps you. This is the brand I have. Bosch, Siemens, and LG are also available in America I believe. Don't be afraid of LG, you'll get some pretty good stuff with that name on it.

Dave

http://www.gotankless.com/products.html



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erp1233

05-22-2008 05:17:26




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 Re: OT: Electric water heaters (tankless) in reply to dave2, 05-21-2008 14:40:17  
Tankless electric only works with low flow aerators down to about .5 gpm, to get an electric tankless water heater to produce enough for a whole house you would need to be within a few feet of the electricity plant.

if you go tankless go natural gas!

friend that owns a gas station and serves food went from 40 gal elec to a gas tankless and saves 400.00 a month overall, electric bill went down 500 and gas weent up 100.

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