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Tradititonal Fa

05-08-2008 02:59:56

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How will you celebrate $200/barrel oil which translates into $8 to $10 gasoline? Will we actually cut consumption and demand more drilling and refineries here in the US or will we continue to moan,groan,feel sorry for ourselves and triade against the oil companies?

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 19:53:28

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

B-maniac
Well said, well said.

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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 14:37:04

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

How much for that 50cc motorcycle???

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1 Dollar

05-08-2008 19:26:12

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-08-2008 14:37:04

I think your reply showed up under the wrong topic...

Well, I found it anyway.

I found a dealer that was about 1.5 hours away and it was about $800. The one I bought was being sold by a fellow a few miles away who had been a "buy 10 and resell them" (no parts etc.)dealer at some time. Mine has 500 miles on it and has two saddlebags on it, but I still paid $800. Maybe not the GREATEST deal, but I would have burned a decent amount of gas going to pick the other one up, and the saddlebags are nice to carry little things.

So, about $800 for an import Honda knockoff

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B-maniac

05-08-2008 19:13:17

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-08-2008 14:37:04

After reading all these posts , I have a question and a comment. The comment is this , we the masses , possess the power , NOT the large corporations OR the oil companies. Without OUR money they go BROKE. Now the question. Why don"t we just stop purchasing the following "luxuries"?. Snowmobiles , motorcycles , orv"s , motorhomes , campers , tobacco products , alcaholic beverages , restaurant food , etc ? Instead of playing golf , play cards or horseshoes. Instead of going skiing , find a hill and go sledding etc , etc. And what is peoples obsession with making the "Native Americans" some of the wealthiest people in the country by dumping their paychecks , inheritances , pension , social security and retirement checks into a stupid "casino" with the hope of hitting it rich and when they don"t they call it their "entertainment" ??? The oil companies are NOT an island. Yes we need to fill the tank but we CAN shut down a lot of the "parrasitic" companies that supply the "luxuries" listed above and believe me things will change for the better. We have been living (playing) in a "FALSE" economy for years and now it"s time to pay the band. The supply and demand free enterprise system will still prevail if we consumers will just wake the hell up and start useing it to our advantage instead of "them" useing it to theirs. Another side affect of where we are headed is the fact that there is a rapidly growing population that will now have a higher standard of living in PRISON than they have on the street. Free room and board ,vocational training , health club membership , three nice meals a day , free health care and legal representation. No bills to pay , laundry to wash , dishes to wash , lawn to mow , snow to shovel , etc,etc. They can live there for life and it don"t matter whether they kill the brother next door or the president of the U.S. All I have to say is some high-up people better start watching their backs when we have this many people with nothing to lose and everything to gain. There"s some turbulent times ahead and gas prices will be the least of our worries!!!

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1 Dollar

05-08-2008 19:30:32

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to B-maniac, 05-08-2008 19:13:17

I don't know if I apply to this, but I bought my motorcycle to SAVE gas. It will pay for it self after about 2000 or so miles, compared to my 16 MPG F-150, that will be driven when I need to tow or haul.

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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 20:13:05

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to 1 Dollar, 05-08-2008 19:30:32

1 Dollar said: (quoted from post at 19:30:32 05/08/08) I don't know if I apply to this, but I bought my motorcycle to SAVE gas. It will pay for it self after about 2000 or so miles, compared to my 16 MPG F-150, that will be driven when I need to tow or haul.

Just for the sake of figures, let's work out the savings...

$800 for a motorcycle instead of 200 gallons of gas for the 16 mpg pickup. 200 gallons x 16mpg = 3200 miles in your pickup. That's at $4 per gallon.

For me in my 28 mpg car, 200 gallons x 28 mpg = 5600 miles.

Save some money? Yes. Pay for itself quickly? No. Fun to drive while saving a couple bucks? Yep. :lol:

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1 Dollar

05-09-2008 13:25:02

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-08-2008 20:13:05

Your math is better than mine. You are a teacher right? lol I'll get there eventually...

Suppose I probably save some on tires, oil changes, and wear and tear? Wait, the fuel for that motorcycle itself probably balances that out. 3200 miles we'll call it!

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LEH

05-08-2008 08:34:15

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

I sure don't know what the answer is, but I know that that this country is being squeezed for every dollar that folks have. Looks like there will be some rich folks and lots of poor folks. I would like to see our elected officials among the poor people. They had better get off their dead azzes before it's too late. If it isn't already. Every elected official in Washington should be in jail, Starting with little Bush & Shot Gun Chaney

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trucker40

05-08-2008 07:41:18

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

Some of you still think that you are going to "cut consumption"and that will somehow fix things?What will fix things is if we march the crooks out of Washington DC on the point of bayonettes.If we dont do that all they are going to do is keep raising it until we do.Its like forcing us to have an uprising so they can declare Marshall Law.Its like our own Government is doing this because they think that becoming a North American Union and trashing our dollar is going to save them.Its not,and if there is no United States,there is anarchy.These crooks think if it gets too bad they will just go underground,and nuke us.I read that somewhere a few years ago,and it looks like it could be true.If you are a politician,why do you set there and do nothing?Either you are stupid,or held hostage I think.If you want to try and figure out why we are in the mess we are in,there is page after page of"cronies"in all kinds of corporations,not just oil.After a while oil companies start to look kind of like good guys compared to some of them.Big names that have been responsible for misery in our country for many years.These are the "they"that people talk about.They have their cops out there hitting people for them,and the people in congress are afraid of them being next,or are evil and stupid.I dont know which.How things ever got to here is because of money.Congress has been for sale for a long time.This is what thanks we get for working hard our whole life.Now instead of getting anywhere we get this,a broken government,a broken medical care system,overwhelming taxes,sky high prices,and a bought out media thats nothing but a cheerleader for corporations.Oh,and if you want to say"Its going to get worse before it gets better"shut up and offer a solution.Truckers will be broke before long.Also where I am,there is very little being planted yet,too wet.What if you add a drought.Water can cause a drought because farmers cant plant if it rains all the time.Would you rather have food that truckers can bring you,or go to California and get it yourself to conserve fuel cause your pickup can get better mileage than a truck?There comes a time when arguments get stupid,and conservative arguments start out that way lots of times.The railroad is not going to do anything,much less save you.You need to hope that trucks can continue running,but its going to get high priced to ship anything.You better come up with a plan of some kind.Looks like nothing is going to be done to the speculators who are responsible for 60% of the price of fuel.The politicians nowdays are Conservative when they want your support,and blindly you do,then turn right around and beat you for doing it.

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Buzzman72

05-08-2008 08:27:42

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to trucker40, 05-08-2008 07:41:18

Truth is, the "demand" part of the equation isn't just US demand for oil anymore. The economy of China has caused a surge in demand there that will eventually dwarf US demand for oil, so ultimately we in the US have no control over this ride.

Which means the "Bad Guy" oil companies also have little control over the pricing on the world market. What the US oil companies CAN control is how many wells that are now stopped, begin pumping again. Travel along I-64 in southwestern Indiana and southern Illinois and notice how many oil wells you see...and notice that the MAJORITY of them are NOT pumping! With the price of scrap iron, you KNOW the iron in those rigs would be long gone if they were sitting over dry holes! What are the oil companies waiting for? Who knows? BUT...in the grand scheme of things, America no longer controls her own destiny, where oil is concerned. And as long as China and other emerging economies are willing to bid up the price of crude, the US consumer has NO recourse...or none that will ultimately be effective, unless US grain production turns into a "fuel vs. food" situation, but only when things are at a crisis point in both markets.

JMHO.

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trucker40

05-08-2008 10:11:44

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 08:23:16

buickanddeere.Scientists say the Earth has been here 4.6 billion years.If you used a day that starts at 6 AM and ends at 6PM as an example,that would mean that its 10:30 in the morning in the day of life on this planet.Human beings have been here about 300 million years more or less,which amounts to one second in the grand scheme of things.I bet in my life I have worked more than you ever will.I have worked day and night for years.I am no fool.I grew up in times that were hard,and lived in times that were hard.I think you have some problem with things getting better,you want to drag the country,people,everything into the past.While that may happen,I am going the other way I want it to get better.I dont think you are any smarter because you run your mouth.Why do you?You seem to have an obsession with whining.You dont know me,and you think you can intimidate me or make me mad?You can,but what did you do?If we go back to horses,it wont satisfy you.We cant go back to horses.Always people are going to do things you dont like.You are always going to say people are whining.So in your short miserable millisecond that you have here with us,I prefer you shut up,except I know you wont.Long before 6PM in that day of life on this planet for human beings the sun will expand and burn up the Earth until its like the planet Mercury,with no life on it.I dont know when that is going to happen,it could be a heartbeat away from happening now.If you want to go back in time,fine.We all dont have to see things that way.I could care less what England or any other country pays for fuel,but if you want,you can move over there if you think you need to pay more for fuel.As I was writing this my Brother in Law called(who is a Trucker)and said he is going to park his truck.He hauls food.Lots more stop every day.2 billion people are going to starve because you have stocks in oil.You make me sick.

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 11:01:07

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to trucker40, 05-08-2008 10:11:44

What has the evolution vs. creationism argument about the age of the earth and mankind's time here have to do with crude oil? What does an expanding sun,the planet Mercury and time have to do with the price of fuel? You have worked hard haven't you and what do you have to show for it? Isn't called working hard and not working smart? You can shovel out horse stables and fast,hard and as long as you want. You are never going to dig up gold. If you want gold, go dig fast, hard and smart where the gold is. I grew up doing a man's work when a hired man couldn't be afforded. And doing an accountants records that couldn't be afforded on my Father's farm. I even did that on weekends while in college.Made the family some decent income on hogs while other farms were loosing money on hogs. As for England and western Europe. Better have a look there and see how they figured out how live on using the minimal amount of much higher priced fuel. If you want to survive you had better care what they have done to succeed. Are you telling me there is the US and them there is everybody else? And when everybody else is added up they are less than the US? So tell me again how you deserve to pay a dollar a gallon for fuel and everybody else has to pay full price? Why are you special? Is it because you are angry and upset not having the luxuries you have been accustomed to? You still have it better in the US being a trucker than the majority of the world's population. Why are YOU entitled to what you have let alone even better? You make me laugh at your ability to place the blame for your woes at everybody else feet other than your own.

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JML755

05-08-2008 07:18:37

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

I think many people ARE starting to conserve. However, if you look at the cars during rush hour in our area (Detroit) , there are still a lot of one-person vehicles (mine included). The problem is that public transportation is not a viable alternative for those of us who live in suburban subdivisions and who work at jobs that are 25-40 miles away. Lifestyle decisions (where to live, where to work) were made years ago when gas was cheap. We just can't "turn on a dime" and change our lifestyles overnight. Next time a decision is made on a job, distance to work will be a MAJOR factor. Next car purchase, mileage will the deciding factor. I have started to car-pool with my wife a couple of days a week which is about all we can schedule right now. Saves me $10 each day we do it. We're also doing more errands to and from work. Going out to dinner is a MAYBE once a month deal now. Only so much disposable income and more and more of it is going into the gas tank. The point is, we're living within our means, but our standard of living has dropped drastically.

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Turke Bros. Farms

05-08-2008 06:31:14

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

Hold on here guys! The problem isnt that we have enough refineries or product to refine. The problem is the stock market. And YES OUR GOVERNMENT! take a look on the commodities market we are shipping gasoline and diesel made here in the USA over to Europe and China. Why? Because they are willing to pay more, and NAFTA allows the big oil companies to do this. Ill bet that wages at the oil companies for the average worker has not gone up as much as the fuel they are refining or pumping has. Our government needs to step in and place a very large tariff on oil and oil products being exported out of the USA. This will discourage exportaion and leave USA oil for the USA. Then there would be a glut in the marketplace thus prices will drop to a normal level before all this stated.
Check into it guys...that is what is happening.
We need this tariff to sustain our country and vitality of the Nation.

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coloken

05-08-2008 06:55:39

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 05-08-2008 06:31:14

FWIW: Here many oil wells are shut down, new drilling is being posponed because the pumpers can not get rid of the oil they have. My understanding is that all refineries have been less than 90 percent capacity for most a year now. The saying of lack of refineries or oil does not work as of right now. If you do not believe me, I can drive you out to the wells and talk to the pumpers here in Weld county Colorado. Kennyp

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trucker40

05-08-2008 08:26:08

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to coloken, 05-08-2008 06:55:39

When I was driving over the road,oil wells like in Illinois and other places would sometimes not be pumping,but just as soon as the price went up,everywhere you look they would be pumping,putting in new ones.You cant blame them for waiting until its high to pump it.High used to be 50 dollars a barrel.With a dollar thats worth less than 50 cents,and nobody wants it,thats why oil is 120 a barrel,really 60 dollars a barrel.

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trucker40

05-08-2008 10:30:05

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Turke Bros.Farms, 05-08-2008 07:05:55

Bush is rich and never did care about you.He is going to help his buddies steal all they can.He is in steal mode,got nothing to loose,already bought the presidency,next he will probly buy being the Pope.

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coloken

05-08-2008 07:14:53

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Turke Bros.Farms, 05-08-2008 07:05:55

Neither party.....
This is capitolism, open market, if China has more money, then they get the oil. Inflation, inflation, inflation! Just try to keep up with it.

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skip33652

05-08-2008 05:39:29

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

Not once have I heard conserve .fly less, drive less, slow down.people complain and then do nothing. if you all want to wait for the goverment it will be a long wait and then screwed up in the end. and big oil aint gonna help .Paul

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 04:52:47

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Re: $300 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

I heard oil was going to $300.00 a barrel next year.

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Driedup

05-08-2008 07:33:38

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Re: $300 A Barrel Oil in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 04:52:47

I heard oil was going to $500. a barrel, yes!

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 08:24:50

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Re: $300 A Barrel Oil in reply to Driedup, 05-08-2008 07:33:38

Latest heard here was $600.00 a barrel.

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thurlow

05-08-2008 08:47:15

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Re: $300 A Barrel Oil in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 08:24:50

CNN..... ....from whom I get ALL MY NEWS, and who I trust implicitly, is predicting $1000 by the end of the decade..... ..... .(this is fun)

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 09:04:53

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Re: $1100 A Barrel Oil in reply to thurlow, 05-08-2008 08:47:15

Just in. I heard $1100.00 a barrel by 2011 from the CBC.

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Old Roy agiin

05-08-2008 12:17:10

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Re: $1100 A Barrel Oil in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 09:04:53

Hey you guy's don't let the media see this,or the united? states will have a shortage of voters due to a mass suicide. If people see this on the news they will believe it.

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big fred

05-08-2008 14:09:09

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Re: $1100 A Barrel Oil in reply to Old Roy agiin, 05-08-2008 12:17:10

Mass suicide? Oughta drive demand down...

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Old Roy agiin

05-09-2008 10:17:49

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Re: $1100 A Barrel Oil in reply to big fred, 05-08-2008 14:09:09

Yeah it will,but it cost money to store the overflow,,raising the prices. The need of hiring guards to protect this overflow would probably be considered [Hazardous Duty] And pay would be done accordingly, thus raising price per bbl. even more.!!!---What Next???

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ericlb

05-08-2008 04:34:12

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

your probably right, what is needed is a direct order to build more refineries and use them, even if ground was broke today it would be 10 years before they were in full production, but first we will have to take large nets and snag all the bunny huggers, and enviromentalists to build them. we could place them on old decommisioned ships, tow them about 50 miles offshore [ so they couldnt swim back] and station them there, for company we could also round up peta members and send them out there too, support could come from all those billions we sent to countries that hate us, but will spend our money as fast as we send it,hey this might work for max and super max prisoners too?

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fregienewbee

05-08-2008 04:33:55

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

Oil embargo, 1973. We were held hostage, supposedly, by OPEC. Thirty-five years later and we're more dependent on imported oil than ever. What did all those Congresses do except sit on their hands? Too many think the Government is the solution--or at least promises solutions. They are the problem. If they'd just get out of the way and let people succeed. Oh, but then they'd be out of a job.

Buildings are using more glass than ever. My daughter's school has a two-story or more atrium that is all glass--probably close to 80' long.

If I slow down to 65 on the freeway, I get passed like I'm sitting still. We're caught between gas and banks. Do we borrow 20-30K to by a hybrid just to save a few bucks aweek in gas? I can't afford to and won't. I can buy a lot of gas at $4.00 just for the interest I'll pay.

I've been wanting to get some meat rabbits for a while. Might be a good time.

It's going to get mighty cold for those burning oil in the Northeast this winter. My wood pile sure looks reasuring.

Larry in Michigan

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tlak

05-08-2008 04:33:43

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

Some of y"all say about conserving and how that would help lower prices, but the oil companies have already said that they"ll cut back production or hold at certain level to keep prices up. Just read an article were Cheney is the author of a lot of this gas problem.

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omahagreg

05-08-2008 04:22:56

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

In Nebraska, they took away all incentive to conserve. We were not funding our road projects, because people were not buying enough gas, so our legislature decided that when the volume falls below a certain threshold, the state tax goes up to compensate for this. NICE! Greg

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Jack a

05-08-2008 04:16:52

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

We don't build refineries here for the same reason we don't build new car factories here. Refineries are being built at a very fast rate elsewhere in the world. Why? Because they can build in Mexico and avoid taxes and OSHA. And they can get cheap labor. Also they can ignore environmental laws if there are any. So, capacity is growing but just not here. And Exxon is really cleaning up so-to-speak. Only a fool would believe the crap our crappy no good for nothing lazy media spews that we are in a shortage. Does the media actually check anything out? They prove all the time they don't. They take the government's word for it or worse yet the oil company's word for it. There as of yet is no shortage. I've been able to buy gas every time I have stopped at the gas station. Even if the gas stations run out I wouldn't believe we are actually short. Just like the 1970's when there was no real gas shortage it was just big oil toying and holding back.

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johnva

05-08-2008 06:21:29

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Jack a, 05-08-2008 04:16:52

I agree with that. A locality here in Va wanted to build a bio diesal plant, guess what, the local voted it down, why tree huggers fought it tooth and nail.

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 05:41:57

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Irvings in St John NewBrunswick new capacity in reply to Jack a, 05-08-2008 04:16:52

How is it with environmental concerns, OHSA, capital costs, wages, insurance, etc? That Irving Oil in St John NewBrunswick is more than doubling their refining capacity. Irving already supplies most of the North East US and Canada. There is no energy shortage. Once the "low hanging fruit" is picked = crude oil. Energy companies will just start coal liquidfication and oil from brackish water algae. Energy companies won't invest in alternatives until they have to. We haven't quit run out of crude oil yet. Imagine if the Chinese companies that own interests in Alberta oil shut of the tap to the US and shipped it home to China.

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Jack a

05-09-2008 04:37:28

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Re: Irvings in St John NewBrunswick new capacity in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 05:41:57

You're right about capacity going up in the US. I knew that before I typed and still worded it wrong. Overall US capacity is up about 15% from tens years ago or so. At least that's what I read about a year ago in the paper. Not through new refineries but through additions and upgrades to old ones. My point still being that there has not been and is not now a shortage of gas like the media spews. The evening news on TV is always a day late and a dollar short. I like Knight-Ridder as a news source and Bill Moyers seems to usually be on target.

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tlak

05-08-2008 04:39:38

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Jack a, 05-08-2008 04:16:52

The refinery thing was another excuse for raising the prices, obviously not if there's new refineries being built. The story was that there wasn't enought production capacity. Doesn't matter if there here or not

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Eric SEI

05-08-2008 19:36:23

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to tlak, 05-08-2008 04:39:38

We keep hearing that no new refineries have been built in the last 30 (or so) years. But number of refineries isn't the question, total capacity is. Existing refineries have added capacity, fewer new permits are required than building new.

Plus, I saw in AgriNews that Farm Bureau's refinery in Illinois was installing a new tower that would increase diesel production by 12%. New technology in older refineries can add capacity, but isn't considered newsworthy by the Mainstream Press.

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ericlb

05-08-2008 04:14:53

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

well, if you can buy it you'll probably have to get it direct at the refinery as the trucking industry will be broke, as will the railroads, they simply cant operate at that price, food will be so high only the basic staples will be bought, people will have to go back to growing a lot of their own food,the young people will have no clue how,so robbing a store for what food they have will be popular, we've about hit the top of what the country can stand for fuel prices, in our business which is gravel delivery, this past year we have noticed a dramatic drop in individuals ordering gravel, they simply cant afford to buy it, partialy due to the price of gravel,[ gone up with the price of diesel used to produce it] partialy due to them having to spend more for their own nessisitys to live and work, only the big operators are buying large tonnages of it,thic could be handled by the next president, if we elect one with a brain...oops their isnt one running, my bad,bush and chenny wont care as they'll be enjoying their big oil paychecks for setting this all up in the first place

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 05:31:48

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$200 A Barrel Oil How does Europe stay in business? in reply to ericlb, 05-08-2008 04:14:53

Ever check the price of fuel and electricity in Europe? How do they work the ground, transport themselves, good & food and stay in business? Judging by the American consumption of energy for travel, entertainment and home heating. There is no real effort yet to become more efficient. People don't change their habits until forced to. It's like telling somebody to loose weight and quit smoking. They don't change until AFTER they have their heart attack. If they do at all.

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tlak

05-08-2008 06:12:51

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil How does Europe stay in business? in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 05:31:48

Because europeans get medical in their fuel prices.

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1936

05-08-2008 03:52:31

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

Elected state official in Des Moines just vote them selves a 25 % raise in election years. The poor Govner just got 9 %.

Enjoy your large rides for the music is coming to an end for the big three in MI.

I am just the same as 4 dollars for gas now.

Just think of all the retirees with 10 or more years out.

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davediehl@hotmail.com

05-08-2008 03:49:20

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

You will probably smile just as much at $400 a barrel. They will keep jacking the price as long as someone pays for it. Its not that there is a shortage of fuel, someone is just too lazy to trim their spendings and enjoy the big paychecks. The newsies claim there will be no additional refineries built, but the ones processing have been in service since the 70's. So why has the pump price tripled? Its their bottom line...

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Dave from MN

05-08-2008 03:24:24

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

no one makes a stand for anything in this country these days unless they are here and not a citizen. The people that are runnning this country, from fed to local, wont do anything because they have so many benefits and money already that high prices dont affect them, that and I believe most of the time the taxpayers are paying for the gas they burn and the dinners they eat. It will only be aN ISSUE AT ELECTION TIME, AND WILL BE FORGOTTEN ONCE THE ELECTION HAS PASSED.

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Mn Dave

05-08-2008 05:00:28

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Dave from MN, 05-08-2008 03:24:24

Dave from MN said: (quoted from post at 03:24:24 05/08/08) no one makes a stand for anything in this country these days unless they are here and not a citizen. The people that are runnning this country, from fed to local, wont do anything because they have so many benefits and money already that high prices dont affect them, that and I believe most of the time the taxpayers are paying for the gas they burn and the dinners they eat. It will only be aN ISSUE AT ELECTION TIME, AND WILL BE FORGOTTEN ONCE THE ELECTION HAS PASSED.

I agree, we have turned into a nation of pacifists, just complain about things but keep paying. First thing the public will cut out will probably be food, then gas.....got to drive that 50 miles to work and back each day, yu know! If this would of happened in the 60's or 70's there would be riots everywhere.

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 09:12:23

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to Mn Dave, 05-08-2008 05:00:28

Move closer to work.

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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 12:50:46

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Re: $200 A Barrel Oil in reply to buickanddeere, 05-08-2008 09:12:23

buickanddeere said: (quoted from post at 09:12:23 05/08/08) Move closer to work.

A house closer to work costs $100,000 more than mine. Take many years, even with $10 gas, to make up the difference.

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Circus

05-08-2008 03:22:23

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How can we conserve? in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 05-08-2008 02:59:56

Both. We enjoy complaining. Any ideas how we can conserve?

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1 Dollar

05-08-2008 14:20:32

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Circus, 05-08-2008 03:22:23

I bought one of these this week. 50cc so no plates etc. Also will hold about 42 MPH, so perfect for my 6 mile drive to town. 40 and 30 MPH speed limits there. My F-150 gets 17 MPG hiway, 15-16 city. This will supposeably do 80 MPG. We'll see...

50 cc motorcycle

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SuperHank

05-08-2008 13:11:51

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Circus, 05-08-2008 03:22:23

If you have access to used vegetable cooking oil it can be run in any deisel. While the acces is a big if it is formulated to cost .50 to .70 cents a gallon. Worth looking into. A friend is running his 350 Ford on it and has no problem

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IH2444

05-08-2008 09:46:13

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Circus, 05-08-2008 03:22:23

Most all of use use lots more energy in our homes than in our vehicles. And a notable % of that energy is either directly or indirectly from petro.

Insulate, seal and use energy star stuff.

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Dave Sherburne NY

05-08-2008 09:04:06

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Circus, 05-08-2008 03:22:23

I just went to town on my bike, about 2 miles to
get a belt for the truck I bought 2 weeks ago that should almost double my gas mileage. Last year I drove the truck I replaced 3700 miles at 9 miles to the gallon. Just combine trips and plan ahead.

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old

05-08-2008 08:27:50

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Circus, 05-08-2008 03:22:23

Fewer trips, small cars, maybe even ride a bike or motorcycle. I know if I had the money I would be buying a motorcycle to do a lot of the stuff I do now with my truck.

Hobby farm

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JTinNJ

05-08-2008 06:22:16

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Circus, 05-08-2008 03:22:23

The simplest way is like Nancy Reagen said"Just say no".As in no,I don't need to make that trip today. My pickup sat for 3 days last week,and,it may sit a few days this week also.It'a a start,and,who knows, I may get used to staying home.

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PaulinLI

05-08-2008 06:19:28

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Circus, 05-08-2008 03:22:23

For now the solution is conservation. Can anyone explain a benefit of Ethanol use?

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hay

05-08-2008 04:01:17

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Circus, 05-08-2008 03:22:23

with gas at $3.50/gal and you ask how to conserve? simple, just drive less, 'feather foot' the accelerator pedal, and combine trips to do several things at one time. i have to do those things, but others may not and would rather complain. it's not limited to gas prices, either. electric rates have gone up here also. so conservation extends to the home, not just the car. we will all conserve when prices reach the point that we can no longer afford anything.

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M Moline Fan

05-08-2008 03:56:25

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Circus, 05-08-2008 03:22:23

Here's a thought- stadiums and race tracks benefit rich people. Stay away in droves. How can players, owners and sponsors get millions if the stadiums and arenas are empty? And what if the 400,000 race fans don't show up for the Indy 500? We CAN fight back. I'll believe the gas price is bothering people when this starts happening.

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 09:08:55

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to M Moline Fan, 05-08-2008 03:56:25

Rich People..... .. Then seem to have it all including paying a majority of their incomes as income tax. While the poor people get a free ride and pay very little tax. Great incentive to be rich by working hard and smart. Then have it taken away by poor people who don't work hard and smart. How did all those "rich people" get your money?

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Randy S.E. MN.

05-08-2008 04:18:39

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to M Moline Fan, 05-08-2008 03:56:25

Mr. Moline...Just to educate you on the Indy 500...I believe they are using 100% Ethanol now. All motorsports need desparately to switch to Ethanol or Methanol (wood alcohol) Countless hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel are wasted every year to motorsports. I have been a racer and a race fan for 40 some years.

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M Moline Fan

05-08-2008 08:37:58

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Randy S.E. MN., 05-08-2008 04:18:39

I wasn't referring to the Indy race cars, but to the huge throngs of people who drive to watch. If lots of them stayed home it would save a lot of gas as well as send a message to the powers that be.

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buickanddeere

05-08-2008 09:11:33

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to M Moline Fan, 05-08-2008 08:37:58

Stay at home and watch the race on TV?

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ChadS

05-08-2008 06:33:37

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Randy S.E. MN., 05-08-2008 04:18:39

At noon yesterday, gas was 3.56,,, at 4 pm it was 3.87, at 6 pm it was 3.94 in Northern Indiana at our local station. This time of year for Hoosiers feel more of a crunch too,, especially at the time the Indy 500 comes to town. I belive it to be,, all the spectators, and the race teams running around here, they see it fit to jack the price up till the race is over, then we see a 10 cent drop 5 days after the race is over. Its been a pattern Ive seen since Katrina. So much big money comes to this state by extra ciricular activites that they say, CHA CHING! and we gots to deal with it by payng it at the pumps. Everybody is gonna suffer at one point and time, maybe not today, maybe not tomorow, but next week dont look good either,,,,, it will be 4.25 by the end of this month here, shoot almost a 50 cent increase in a few hours,,,,,

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RustyFarmall

05-08-2008 05:11:15

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to Randy S.E. MN., 05-08-2008 04:18:39

But how many thousands of gallons of GASOLINE are used up by the race fans driving to those events? It has nothing to do with the fuel used by the cars on the track.

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Oliver Super 77

05-09-2008 07:23:05

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to RustyFarmall, 05-08-2008 05:11:15

I dont know,, how many cars are in the parking lot at the races??? Lots n lots. I think of it like this too,, how many more "new" vehicles do we need on the roads? Why not fix up all the old fixable cars and use em, instead of buying brand spanking new?? Soon as ya drive the new car of the lot, seems like its worth bout as much as the old car ya traded it in for!! Money well spent I suppose,,,,, Ive never owned a new car, or truck, Ive never owned any auto over a 1995 model year. I buy em reasonable, fix em if I need to, and drive em. may not have the bling bling th enew cars got, but Im comfortable driving what I have and not have 10's of thousands of dollars in one. I see alot of good usable, fixable cars being scrapped, if we lower the demand for new cars and trucks, keep the actual number of vehicles kinda sorta limited to a certain number, Id bet when you see a car driving down the road, there just might be more than one person riding in em when they go out on the town, and not supply china with more and more of our steel. Soon there will be no scraps left,, but, we sure will have a million new cars on the roads, increasing the supply and demand of gas. Bad thing is, the more cars, the more oil it takes, so why not stop making new cars for say,, three years??? Drive whats out there, fix whats outhere already.

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John (C-IL)

05-08-2008 04:17:06

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to M Moline Fan, 05-08-2008 03:56:25

The only problem with that is the hard working men and women that make a living working for all those sports teams selling souveniers, food, tickeets, cleaning the stadiums and the list goes on forever. I know that most of those jobs are not high dollar deals, but for some of those people that is their living or second income that helps them make ends meet.

Sometimes you have to look at the whole tree, not just the trunk.

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M Moline Fan

05-08-2008 08:44:34

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Re: How can we conserve? in reply to John (C-IL), 05-08-2008 04:17:06

It's a shame about jobs. Near us 2 factories are closing, moving jobs out of the country. They don't care about their workforce that's been with them for many years. We're becoming a dog eat dog society.

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