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150.000 Case steam engine

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robertmn

05-07-2008 18:19:59




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Hey Guys; This was or still is on fleabay with a buy it now button. It was on a few weeks ago and the top bid was aroud 30.000. I seen the seller at the Tularie tractor show. He said it was hauled out to Lompoc Ca 35yrs ago from the midwest. Sat outside for..who knows. Then this time out here I see it's still outside....but redone. Looks good from outside the fence. But the boiler has never been inspected. Been around these for yrs... but NOT on the buying end! I see he turned down two offers this time also. Does anyone have any ideas on what the going price for this 1916 Case? How much to redo a boiler like this? Thanks Bobmn

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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 09:55:34




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to robertmn, 05-07-2008 18:19:59  
I believe steam turbines are more efficient than a reciprocating steam engine... Turbine would be a little fast for a tractor without extensive reduction gearing.



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garytomaszewski

05-08-2008 10:28:10




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-08-2008 09:55:34  
Lot of gear reduction on those old steamers you sure it wouldn't work.



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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 11:21:14




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-08-2008 10:28:10  

garytomaszewski said: (quoted from post at 10:28:10 05/08/08) Lot of gear reduction on those old steamers you sure it wouldn't
work.


It would be interesting to see if it can be made to work... Recently there was a discussion on another site about the same thing, general consensus was that it just isn't feasible due to the requirements of a hydraulic system, operator comfort, speed, etc. that everyone is used to.

Of course, it is always possible to go back to the old methods, but one person just won't handle a 5,000 acre farm.

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garytomaszewski

05-08-2008 12:42:30




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-08-2008 11:21:14  
More jobs for more people????



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greygoat

05-08-2008 05:50:38




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to robertmn, 05-07-2008 18:19:59  
A friend paid $18,000 for a 75 HP Case,in 1974.
I saw a 75 HP Avery go fo $60,000 in 1986.



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Steven f/AZ

05-07-2008 20:01:05




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to robertmn, 05-07-2008 18:19:59  
It's worth nothing more than spare parts price without a boiler inspection.

No inspection, no fire, no steam = worthless as a working machine.



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John S-B

05-07-2008 19:48:39




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to robertmn, 05-07-2008 18:19:59  
It does'nt really show any wear, it must not have had much use. Maybe the boiler is okay, but only an inspecion can tell. Even if it's ready to go, $150,000?? Maybe if I hit the Mega Millions, maybe.



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coloken

05-07-2008 18:53:09




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to robertmn, 05-07-2008 18:19:59  
I've gotten use to people calling any single cyl engine a "hit and miss" but to call a steam engine that--whats the world coming too? Maybe it time to explain that at one time they regulated the speed by "not fireing" Thus "hit and miss"



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RobMD

05-07-2008 18:26:32




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to robertmn, 05-07-2008 18:19:59  
My Great Grandfather threshed with one of those in the 1920's. He paid $1000 for it in 1920.

He would be rolling over in his grave if he saw the prices of those things today.



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Greenehillbilly

05-07-2008 18:40:59




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to RobMD, 05-07-2008 18:26:32  
Its now $150.000

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130218245740



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Mike M

05-08-2008 06:37:43




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to Greenehillbilly, 05-07-2008 18:40:59  
They are going to gain in popularity and may just start makeing them again with these high gas and diesel prices.



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Steven f/AZ

05-08-2008 07:16:30




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to Mike M, 05-08-2008 06:37:43  

Mike M said: (quoted from post at 06:37:43 05/08/08) They are going to gain in popularity and may just start makeing them again with these high gas and diesel prices.


One person cannot run a steam engine properly, and with the higher labor costs it will NOT be cost effective to run a steam engine.

A person would still be using gasoline to cut, gather, and deliver wood to the engine - same thing with coal, a gas/diesel truck would be used to deliver the coal.

There is a reason the world went away from steam - it is very INefficient, external combustion does not provide a cost effective or resource effective source of power.

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Eric SEI

05-08-2008 19:48:25




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-08-2008 07:16:30  
The reason the railroads first started using diesels was time. A couple of hours before you can use a steam engine you have to start the fire. When it was ready the steam engine was better than the diesels for serious power. Then when you are done the engine has to be cooled down properly.

With a diesel switch engine you could start it, shift some cars, turn it off.

The same is true for farming. The time required before and after using a steam engine make them impractical for any task that that isn't going to last all day.

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Mike M

05-08-2008 09:55:01




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-08-2008 07:16:30  
I was thinking it was more from being dirty and slow ? Water is free you can fire them with waste straw if thrashing. Today I was thinking one could use junk mail to fire a boiler ?



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garytomaszewski

05-08-2008 09:39:48




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 Re: 150.000 Case steam engine in reply to Steven f/AZ, 05-08-2008 07:16:30  
Not really that inefficient, almost all our electricity comes from steam turbines if there was a more efficient way the power companies would use it. Probably charge us the same though.



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