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Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma)

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Bill from MA

05-03-2008 12:02:04




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After reading the book "The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals" by Michael Pollan my wife isn't quite ready to hunt herself but is now very interested in grass fed beef.

Have any of you who really know the livestock business read this book and what are your thoughts?

Thanks,
Bill




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Tractor,Tractor

05-04-2008 06:45:19




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Bill from MA, 05-03-2008 12:02:04  
When I was a kid we raised herfords and they all had a diet of ground feed which consisted of corn ,oats and suppliments, they were also given so much hay everyday, The feeders were kept in a pen and the nurse herd was left to roam the woods or certain fields, if they came back to the barn there would be hay or feed depending on the weather. Everyone dad sold beef to loved the flavor and texture of his beef. I know people who go to Florida and eat that range fed beef and do not like it, I went there and it tasted like beef to me, little grainier meat but palletable. I think alot has to do with your tastes.

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05-03-2008 18:38:07




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Bill from MA, 05-03-2008 12:02:04  
The problem is modern breeds have been bred to be big,stand still and eat. When the beef breeds were imported from overseas they were much smaller like the miniature herefords which are supposed to be able to be raised on hay and grass.But the last 40 years or so they have been bred for size,among other things.



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cornfarmer

05-03-2008 16:11:06




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Bill from MA, 05-03-2008 12:02:04  
I found the book extremely interesting, especially as I have raised cattle, corn, and worked for one of the two grain companies mentioned. The problem, however, is at times his research failed in its depth, and he picked up on and was content with "popular myths" in places he should have gone further to uncover the truth. Often, the opposite side of the story is not explored in any detail, so the result is skewed toward good reading, rather than good journalisim. I understand the difficulty "outsiders" may have in understanding production agriculture, but he obviously took the time researching "his" side of the story. I do not believe this book is as good as his "Botany of Desire", which in my mind should be required reading for anyone with an interest in nature, and in many ways helps explain where Pollan is coming from. (BTW, I will take a properly corn-fed steer over a grass fed steer any day) When Dad and I fed cattle, we sold a large number of corn-fed cattle directly to the end-user, and had a loyal following for the taste and quality of our beef. I will freely admit, though, that a top quality grass-fed animal will taste better than a poorly fed (or finished) animal on a grain-based diet, which contributes to people arriving at the same conclusion as Pollan. I fully support the "local food" movement, but also recognize that, on a grand scale, to supply a country and the world with adequate quality and quantity of food requres a system very much like the one we have in place. However, the end result of reading his book is a better, albeit not a perfect, understanding of our food system, and that is a good thing.

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730 virgil

05-03-2008 20:03:48




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to cornfarmer, 05-03-2008 16:11:06  
that is so many times the case someone appoints themselves an expert and does"t do the research to learn the truth on subject. take ethanol people are taking big oils story about ethanol and some out dated data that"s 30 + years old and think ethanol is a bad product.



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Bill from MA

05-03-2008 18:58:41




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to cornfarmer, 05-03-2008 16:11:06  
>>The problem, however, is at times his research failed in its depth, and he picked up on and was content with "popular myths" in places he should have gone further to uncover the truth. Often, the opposite side of the story is not explored in any detail, so the result is skewed toward good reading, rather than good journalisim.
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My wife is really upset about the feedlots. I thought cattle were there for a short time to be finished, and not a year plus. (a) is this true and (b) is the process as 'unnatural' (to the point of timing slaughter to be just before a poisoned death) as described?

Is this standard practice or a bias on the part of the author?

Bill

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cornfarmer

05-04-2008 19:35:47




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Bill from MA, 05-03-2008 18:58:41  
Feedlot time of a year is not unusual, but the treatment of beef animals in confinement certainly can vary. For any notion of treatment you have I can show you a real life version. Peoples treatment of animals runs the full spectrum, same as peoples treatment of other human beings. In general, a beef calf is born in the spring and spends the first summer on pasture with his momma, and is weaned in the fall. From then on, what happens can vary but basically the animal is fed hay or silage, along with supplements, while the animals are physically growing. Often, this is called "backgrounding", and may occur in confinement.
Near the end of this time, corn is introduced in increasing amounts in the diet. This phase is known as "finishing". For the last two to three months, the animals diet is mainly corn, with roughage (hay) added to keep the rumen working. While animals can be pushed to fast-which certainly can cause problems-it is not in the best interest of the stockman, as rate of gain suffers, as does the animal. A "hot" ration may also cause livers to abcess, which ends up in the liver being condemmed, which lowers the value of the animal. Basically, the farmer or rancher has to juggle two primary aims-the welfare of his animals, and the cost of production. A happy, healthy, well fed animal that is treated well and not stressed is the goal. That is balanced against the cost of feed, veterinary expenses, labor costs, and interest the farmer is paying. While beef seems expensive in the store (and it is) the profit margin to the producer is very slim, often amounting to only a few dollars per head, sometimes a loss, and occasionally a reasonable return on investment. If possible, find a farmer who will sell you beef, generally by the whole, 1/2, or quarter. You can then see how he treats his animals. You will pay a top price, but rewarding humane treatment and helping a family farmer compete is a win-win situation for everyone.

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john in la

05-04-2008 05:11:55




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Bill from MA, 05-03-2008 18:58:41  
<<(b) is the process as 'unnatural' (to the point of timing slaughter to be just before a poisoned death) as described?>>

I can not speek about feed lot cattle so I will let others do that. I also have not read the book so I do not know what points the author has made.

But if you look at veal calves; then yes they are raised in such a way that they are ready to fall over and die. A calf can not live on milk alone and will die if not given grass. But we demand white veal as a consumer and that can only be done on a all milk diet. So a veal operation is in a race with every calf in the barn. Pump it full with as much milk as you can to put on weight and just before it is ready to die send it off to slaughter.

Chickens are in the same boat. Every chicken we eat is of a cross breed that is a eating machine. In fact there feed has to be limited so there legs have time to grow enough to hold there fat a$$ off the ground. If fed free choice they will eat so much and grow so fast that there legs will give out under their body weight.

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Kestrel in CT

05-03-2008 14:59:18




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Bill from MA, 05-03-2008 12:02:04  
I read the book but don't have any direct personal knowledge of the livestock business.

If you don't mind my reply though, I must say it should be required reading for the younger generations that have no idea where our food comes from. Actually, it would be an eye opener for anyone not familiar with modern agribusiness.

I feel the book's strength comes from his accurate description of how we live and eat industrially, while not trying to force his opinions down anyone's throat.

....Just the facts presented in an unbiased way.

I especially like his solution to the growing controversy over slaughterhouse conditions. For the benefit of those haven't read it yet, I'll pass on what he said.

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jose bagge

05-04-2008 07:29:19




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 kids' lack of knowledge about food... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 05-03-2008 14:59:18  
I had a group on inner city kids to the farm on a feild trip...took them to the hen house and opened up the coop to show them the morning eggs. I said, what do you think of those? The all said- babies! I said - nope, breakfast!
You should have heard them howl.
I don't know that modern city kids even see eggs anymore- probably just Egg McMuffins!



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Bill from MA

05-03-2008 16:00:41




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Kestrel in CT, 05-03-2008 14:59:18  
>>I especially like his solution to the growing controversy over slaughterhouse conditions

Yes that is the part my wife is unhappy with. When she was a kid in the late 60's she summered next door to a small dairy farm where she knew the names of the cows and they were bred naturally outdooors so industrial farming is a shock. (I have not read it yet either)

But I may end up with someone happy to cook game.

Bill

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Tom from Ontario

05-03-2008 13:12:20




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Bill from MA, 05-03-2008 12:02:04  
I read the book and it has the usual cityboy stuff but by and large it's quite a statement. I agree with the grass fed beef end of it but you MUST have cattle that will go out and forage. They usually finish at lighter weights so a large part of them has to be the traditional British breeds. The guys in the South have their own breeds but around here, it's got to be British. That pretty well deals out Charolais, Limos and Simmentals as well as any of these freak double muscled things because a cow has got to do it herself.
Pasture management is a MUST, call it rotational, intensive, mob stocking, whatever but it's got to be good.
Good luck.

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Jerry/MT

05-03-2008 12:44:48




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Bill from MA, 05-03-2008 12:02:04  
Haven"t read the book but I"ve been raising grass fed beef since 1976. Cattle were finished on grass til believe the end of WWII and then all this grain was a available afer the end of the war and it was put to use fattening cattle after the universities ran numerous studies to figure out how to do it. People developed a liking for "corn fed" beef and it was a cheap and quick way to fatten animals so that"s how we got to where we are today with fat cattle. With grain prices escalating, grass fed beef begins to look like a better way to go, BUT you have to be willing to pay for the addtional time(time ~ $"s) to finish the animal.

There was a book that came out about 10 years ago about the health implications of grass fed beef and I believe there is a website ( google grass fed beef). Grass fed beef is higher in linoleic acid and I beleive beta carotene than grain fed beef and is proported to be "healthier". I am skeptical of all these health claims because, like "organic food" claims, there have been no scienticially proved health advantages to them yet so as far as I"m concerned, they are no more than marketing claims.
I raise grass fed beef because I like it, it"s a sustainable practice (I consider myself a grass rancher who utilizes the cows to harvest the crop and turn it into valuable protein for human consumption), and some people are willing to pay me fairly for what we produce, unlike commodity beef.

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gene bender

05-03-2008 16:50:48




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Jerry/MT, 05-03-2008 12:44:48  
Dont know where you got your info but cattle were not raised on grass during WW2 they were fed corn a here in IOWA the hay was for the milk cows and horses some hay has always been a part of fat cattles diet but corn is and will always be king for rate of gain and finished product.



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KRUSS1

05-03-2008 14:56:11




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 Re: Grass Fed Beef (The Omnivore's Dilemma) in reply to Jerry/MT, 05-03-2008 12:44:48  
I think grass fed beef is the way of the future. A beef animal is a ruminant for a reason. Having eaten lots of grain fed and lots of grass fed I will go contrary to some and say that I prefer grain fed. But that's just what I prefer. I also very much prefer barley fed as opposed to corn fed.



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