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billonthefarm

04-23-2008 20:50:46




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I rode out and took some more pics of the tile machine and some tile today for those who are curious about how this works.

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This first picture is a close up of the machine. I know it has Deutz air cooled engine and is all wheel drive. It has a laser set up so I suppose it controls depth automatically. This is where they were running when a thunderstorm came up yesterday morning.

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These three show the part that does the work. We call this type of machine a wheel. It has buckets that rotate on a wheel that is spinning. It picks up the dirt and drops it on a belt conveyer and piles it out one side or the other and the tile is put in the ditch behind the machine and small amount of dirt is pulled in the ditch.

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These pics show how the tile is brought to the farm. I threw my hat on the ground in the first one to give a little perspective on the size ot the rolls. A tag on that roll said it was just over 3000 ft. The weather forecast is for a 80% chance of rain tomorrow and we really dont need it as these last pictures show. bill

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Leland

04-24-2008 21:03:59




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 Re: field tile in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
Looks like 4 and 6" slotted ,I have made hundreds of those maxis in a local factory .just for the heck of it what brand is your tile I worked for spi .and by the way I never want to see one again in the factory we had it coming at us at over 100 feet per minute ,try coiling 250' rolls to the lumber yards and keep up tieing and changing coilers and stacking them by yourself



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Bill in IL

04-24-2008 05:13:58




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 Re: field tile in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
Jose, yes it is very similar to the concept of tile around a basement foundation in fact its the same stuff. No gravel on top though out in the feild.

I have never seen a problem yet with plastic tile properly installed. Clay tiles over time do break or shift and cause sink holes that need to be fixed every so often.

Some people in dry years will plug tiles to conserve water but in the end your better off to have the well drained soil in my opinion. It really depends upon the area.

We have a 3pt hitch tile plow that we use to put tile in with. We have to start a run with the backhoe to get the depth and then plow it the rest of the way. Little faster than the wheeled scoop but you do have better control with the scoop. We are suppose to tile one small patch this spring if the weather would cooperate I will try to post some pictures of it if I can.

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onefarmer

04-24-2008 05:11:20




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 Re: field tile in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
Yep When i was kid I had to work beside one of those wheel machines feeding in the clay tile, when my grandfather was having it put in. Also ran the shovel to heal in the tile, that is cover it up with some topsoil. This I'm told helps get the water into the tile since our ground has alot of clay. Later they converted it to lay plastic tile. Basicly they put a wheel rim in the bottom of the shoe to guide the tile. Now they use a D9 Cat with a plow. They can have 20 acres done in the time it takes for the old wheel machine to do a few runs. They still use the wheel in fields that may have alot of rocks or tree roots.

The big boys have a truck with a gps and laser unit. They drive over the field and it maps the ground elevations. Then the feed the data into a computer and it spits out a map of where to lay the tile according to the lay of the land

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Michael Soldan

04-24-2008 05:04:39




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 Re: field tile in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
We have done this in Ontario for over a hundred years. We have even found wooden drains when we excavated to repair a problem. The wooden drain was a three sided cedar conduit that carried the excess water to the large drainage ditch. I have found square clay tile that are 3"x3" with a round hole through the middle that is about 2" in diameter. The more modern clay tiles are 3" and 4". We have left these ancient runs alone and repair them if we see a wet spot but our farm is now systematically drained with the plastic tubing. As it was being installed the operator would see a piece of clay come up and they would take the hoe and dig down and hook the old tile up to the new line and move on. We run the tile every fifty feet for best results. Over the years we have spent a lot of money on drainage. Beleive it or not some of these ancient tile runs are still working like the day they were put in

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jose bagge

04-24-2008 03:42:11




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 Re: field tile in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
this is like "french drains' around a house, right? Do you top that with any gravel to allow the water to "perk" into the pipe?
How often do you have to replace it (how often does it clog up)?



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gene bender

04-24-2008 05:03:09




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 Re: field tile in reply to jose bagge, 04-24-2008 03:42:11  
No just burry it and it will work for ever if not disturbed the product is not new and has been aroundsay 40 or more yrs here in IOWA dont know about your area. Most of the maxhines here have the coil mounted on the machine.



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jlmtractor

04-24-2008 03:06:46




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 Re: field tile in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
wow that would have saved a lot of work when i was workin for my dad in ohio we did a lot of field tile and we did it all with a mini excavator and a skidsteer. wow that thing looks really fun to run



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Roy in UK

04-23-2008 23:01:01




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 Re: field tile in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
We had a lot of our land drained in the early 1970"s with a very large Dutch machine, that laid it"s own pipes just like that, although it was on tracks, not wheels.The actual trench digging mechanism itself was like a huge chainsaw.



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Larry59

04-23-2008 22:59:20




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 Re: field tile in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
So what your saying below.. the tile is used to drain the field of excess water it may contain so the farmer can work the field? Won't this take away water he might need for the field to grow? Thanks :My question might sound silly to some. But I just never seen or heard of this type of water drainage.



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paul

04-24-2008 09:50:20




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 Re: field tile in reply to Larry59, 04-23-2008 22:59:20  
May I ask where you are from? I will guess the arid west, but just curious. :)

The tile improves the soil, so the roots grow better in spring, and the plant will be able to survive a drough period much better.

When the ground is saturated, the roots don't grow, then when it does dry out the roots can't get down fast enough to reach water.

This time of year (or about 3 weeks ago mostly...), it is not unusual for 1/3 of my farm to be under water from a deep snow melt. Heavy clay soil, doesn't drain for months on it's own. The tile helps move the water away & let the water table drop to 2 feet or so below the surface, so I can get in the fields.

Before tile, dad never could farm 1/4 of this place - it was just hay medow for the work horses.

--->Paul

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mjbrown

04-24-2008 07:07:02




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 Re: field tile in reply to Larry59, 04-23-2008 22:59:20  
It's counter-intuitive but the drain tile improves crop performance in dry weather. The plants can't sink roots into water logged soil so when you get a dry spell their shallow roots are toast. When wet ground is tiled the water level drops to the level of the tile. In time the worms move into soil they previously couldn't survive in and the soil is loosend up. Plant roots can go down deeper where there is moisture.

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Larry59

04-23-2008 21:22:35




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 Re: field tile ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
So what you are saying is..?? This meachine digs a hole in the earth so deep. Then lays some kind of a tile in that hole and covers it with a small amount of dirt? Right? So this tile then keeps "water" laying in a certain depth? I see this called tile is really like a large hose right? So does this tile have holes in it to let the water out? Also what happens when season is over. Do you pull it all back up again and start over next year? Thanks
This is interesting..new to me!

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Mathias NY

04-24-2008 04:33:42




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 Re: field tile ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? in reply to Larry59, 04-23-2008 21:22:35  
The trench gets filled back up with dirt so that you would never know it was there.

Water flows into the pipe through small perforations around the diameter. Generally the pipe is pitched to flow water away from an area.

It remains in the ground forever.

Usually it is several feel below the surface so that water will have a chance to absorb into the ground before it is drained away. Basically it prevents the ground from staying super-saturated with water; it can't actually wick the moisture away. Yes the farmer might want the water back later in the season, but if it was too wet to get onto the field in the spring, moisture in the late summer isn't going to be much help.

Around here we have a lot more rocks and need a little more traction. The tile layers I have seen are Caterpillar D8's with a trencher on the back (that feeds the roll of tile). The fancier ones are guided by a laser level to control the depth of the pipe.

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paul

04-23-2008 22:07:42




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 Re: field tile ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? in reply to Larry59, 04-23-2008 21:22:35  
How different a region is from the next! I have miles of tile under my small farm, dad used tosurvey when tile machine was 'new' around here - before that it was dug in by hand.

Should have another mile or so put in....

Anyhow, the tile need to drain to somewhere - ditch or county tile. You get assessed taxes for the ditch.

There are little slots in the plastic tile to allow water to drain into them. Plastic tile are often 4, 5, 6 inched is diameter. Can be bigger.

Before plastic there were concrete tile. And still are, for bigger sizes. Think going up to 2 feet is common. Old days a lot of 6 and 8 inch tile was run.

Before that clay tile were laid. Just a baked clay tile.

The cracks between the concrete or clay tile allows the water in.

The tile needs to ever so slightly drop to the ditch.

It really needs to be 2 feet deep, and you don't like to go deeper than 3 feet, but 4 feet is pretty common. Can go much deeper if you need to get through a ridge or something.

--->Paul

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RobMD

04-23-2008 21:10:09




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 Re: field tile in reply to billonthefarm, 04-23-2008 20:50:46  
Farmers in MD do field tiles with excavators and manual labor with skidloaders, and go deeper than that. looks like that machine would make short work of drainage.



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JMS/.MN

04-24-2008 12:55:38




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 Re: field tile in reply to RobMD, 04-23-2008 21:10:09  
A tile plow works even simpler than a trencher which is what is pictured here- just the normal evolution of technology over the years. A tile plow is like a giant subsoiler- single shank, one pass, laser controls the depth, tile goes into the ground through a pipe on the back of the (subsoiler) plow shank- like a cable layer that utility companies use for phone, etc- just a bigger scale, and no vibrator. Did 2-3000 feet each of the last two years, planning about 4000 feet for this year. Basically mains, and I drew up some plans for this year"s summer project- a home-made plow that will work behind my 190 hp MFWD tractor so I can put laterals in on simple slopes, without laser guidance. Backhoe/trencher requires backfilling- plows do not. Less disruption of the soil surface, and takes more traction than power. Running over 4 feet deep in clay, 325 hp IH and a Cat Challenger were spinning until the dozer got hooked in front. Tile is better than any hired man- works 24 hours per day for a lifetime, always shows up for work! Most any clay ground in the south third of MN is tiled to some degree- just not always enough.

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