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504 Farmall - seized rear hydraulic pump

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shsentyr

04-13-2008 07:34:52




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I bought a Farmall 504 gas this winter. An old farmer helped me go through it top to bottom, except for the rear hydraulics, which he did not have time to help me with.

3-way hydraulics for the tractor"s Farmhand loader bucket/grapple work great. We completely drained all tractor fluids and added new, checked hoses and connections, etc.

The lever on the rear hydraulic pump by the seat barely budges, though, and appears to be rusted/seized even after lots of PB Blaster. I can barely move the level/cylinder even tapping with a hammer. It will move 1-2" only. I opened the rear hydraulic faceplate to see what was inside. One of the three holes has hydaulic fluid in it, but nothing gushed/flowed out. Maybe one or two drips. Other two holes seemed dry.

What would my next steps be to try and fix this problem?

I"d like the rear hydraulics to work to raise/lower my old NH sickle mower when cutting hay/pastures. I don"t need hydraulics for my old NH rake or square baler, so if you have other suggestions for pulling the mower up over rocks/gopher mounds, I"d appreciate that, too.

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Mike (WA)

04-14-2008 12:25:45




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 Re: 504 Farmall - seized rear hydraulic pump in reply to shsentyr, 04-13-2008 07:34:52  
Your picture is of the remote valve. There is no rear pump- the pump is a two part deal (2 pumps in one, located behind a cast iron plate on the left side of the tractor, under the floor board, as best I can remember. I think the smaller capacity pump runs the 3 point, and the larger capacity pump runs everything else. So if the 3 point and the loader work, both pumps are working. I think you simply have a siezed (or rusted) remote valve. The lever should move forward and back easily. I think you need to finish taking the valve off and apart, and see what's going on inside.

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shsentyr

04-14-2008 18:15:45




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 Re: 504 Farmall - seized rear hydraulic pump in reply to Mike (WA), 04-14-2008 12:25:45  
Mike, I think you"re right on with your suggestion.

Thanks first of all for correcting what I"m calling things - after my husband left a year ago, I"ve been trying to learn everything on my own (he never wanted to teach me mechanical things):) I have an old 504 manual I bought on Ebay coming, but it has yet to arrive . . .

I believe you"re right on the rusted valve. I"ve removed the cotter pin and part of the lever, still PB Blasting the remaining part.

I"ll let you know what I find in a couple of days when I find a little more time to work on it.

Thanks so much!

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Michael Soldan

04-13-2008 07:45:34




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 Re: 504 Farmall - seized rear hydraulic pump in reply to shsentyr, 04-13-2008 07:34:52  
This is a stab in the dark but ...is there a shut of valve to divert the workings of the hydraulics from the front to the rear?.One of my old I-H tractors has to have the rear valve closed to work the loader, and the loader valve closed and the rear open to work the 3 point..I am not familiar with your tractor but if your loader is working fine, the rear ought to be too..sorry I'm not much help but am interested in the solution when you find it.

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shsentyr

04-13-2008 10:10:33




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 Re: 504 Farmall - seized rear hydraulic pump in reply to Michael Soldan, 04-13-2008 07:45:34  
Thanks much for the reply, Mike. I"m going to go condition my endurance horses (3+ ft of snow this past week has hampered getting many miles in) and then spend the rest of the afternoon opening up/experimenting with the farmall.

When I do find a solution/get more info I"ll let you know. Your front/back hydraulic valve shutoff would make sense. I did just find an old user"s manual online, too, that should arrive next week. Hopefully that will help :)

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