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T-Rev

04-10-2008 08:38:17




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I posted something to this effect in the "you know what bugs me thread", but I believe it and want to start it as its own thread:

It is great to see guys getting back into grain farming! It means that the farm economy is actually viably luring in people instead of a slow decline. For every guy that gets in or restarts on 200 acres there is a son, grandson, or neighbor that gets the opportunity to experience farming and possibly develop a life long passion for it. I know, I've been there.

I cringe when I see a complete equipment auction, that represents 3-4 people losing the opportunity to be involved, not just one guy. Once again, it is great to hear these stories of guys running 4 row planters and getting back in!

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Ken 46

04-10-2008 13:56:00




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 Re: Getting back in! in reply to T-Rev, 04-10-2008 08:38:17  
My brother and I had a Custom hay service for a number of years. One Christmas I was talking to my city niece, who had a horse. She was buying alfalfa in Denver for what I thought was an ungodly price. Then she added "I don't like the heavy bales -they are too hard to carry" But the heavy and the light bales were same price - what do you think had the most hay in them???



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fergienewbee

04-10-2008 09:42:47




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 Re: Getting back in! in reply to T-Rev, 04-10-2008 08:38:17  
I didn't get in it on a large scale, but planted half my garden to field corn for the wildlife. When watered regulary and cared for, plants reached over 10 feet tall. Ears looked pretty good--until the bluejays got in it. Left slim pickin's for the turkeys. I sure like watching it grow.

It's just going to be a hobby, mostly to grow stuff for released quail to train dogs.

Larry



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Larry59

04-10-2008 08:58:34




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 Got me to thinking in reply to T-Rev, 04-10-2008 08:38:17  
Talk around my area is hay is going to go up cause of gas and diesel prices. Can belive that! My friend who does hay said he can not do it for the price he was charging this last year. So he is going up like to 50 or 60 a bale here. Some prices around here was like 35 to 40 for round bale. What is odd to me that some business are saleing square bales for up to $6.00 each right now and last year to. ... so figuring 6.00 for square and say only 35 for a whole round bale. Seems buying round bales a lot cheaper in long run wouldn't it???
Also at halloween time. Straw for square runs about $4.00. Is that good are bad for straw??

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flying belgian

04-10-2008 14:34:53




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 Re: Got me to thinking in reply to Larry59, 04-10-2008 08:58:34  
"Is that good or bad for straw" depends if you are the buyer or seller.



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Dick L

04-10-2008 11:12:17




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 Re: Got me to thinking in reply to Larry59, 04-10-2008 08:58:34  
Must be the weather is getting to a bunch of people. Some upset because they get out bid by a renter and some upset because they think the land owner is greedy. Others up set because someone wants to raise the price of the hay they will be making because costs of going up and calling it gouging.
When I was buying hay I scanned the classifieds and if the asking price was higher than I wanted to pay I skipped over the ad. Never crossed my mind he was gouging. Only that he was asking more than I was willing to pay. If someone thinks a land owner is greedy because he sees a chance to raise his income then that person would certinly be a person that would turn down a raise by his employeer so as not to seem greedy. Or when grain went up double of last year they would tell the elevator to only pay them half of the higher price so as not to look greedy.

Gotta be the weather because clear thinking people just don't think like that.

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Vernon in Ks

04-10-2008 11:29:58




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 Re: Got me to thinking in reply to Dick L, 04-10-2008 11:12:17  
Sorry guys if I came off bitter, it was not intended. Maybe it's all the rain. When I got in this business I didn't want to play a pricing on supply and demand game. I do enjoy putting up hay but it must be profitable or it is an expensive hobby. So I try to keep my hay for sale at the same price year after year and try my very best to do a quality job and deliver a quality product.
It's not surprising that a lot of hay has been taken out of production because of costs and a beter possible return on cash crops. I myself have taken about 100 acres out of production.

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Vernon in Ks

04-10-2008 10:52:43




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 Re: Got me to thinking in reply to Larry59, 04-10-2008 08:58:34  
Now I don"t know weather you are talking grass hay or alfalfa. If alfalfa then $50-60 a bale would not be out of line. If grass hay then he is gouging. Because of fuel prices custom rates will go up from around $18 tp $20 a bale this year. This includes all costs associated with the process.(Fuel,equipment,labor,twine/net,parts,etc...
I put up a lot of Brome. Now along with the above costs you add Land/Lease payments, Fertilizer, & spraying fees. When calculating my total costs for a round bale for resale at todays costs it is $29.75 a bale. Now the thought is that I can sell it at this amount, but I don"t do this business for the fun of it. If I can"t make $5 a bale I won"t do it at all. Unless something else changes I will have Brome at the same price as last year at $35 a bale stored outside and $40 a bale stored inside.
I had a lady call earlier this week wanting one(1) bale of horse Brome. I told her the 35-40 price and she said that"s too high. She said I"ll give you 30 if you deliver. I asked where she was and find out she is 46 miles away. Lets see 46x2=92miles / 14 mpg= 6.57 gals x $4.099 a gal. =$26.94 She is still looking for hay.
Round bale hay was always cheaper than square. There are more input costs in small square. On the user end it is more convienient and less waste. As for straw $4 is probly about right. Very few people use large quantities so the price will reflect this.

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Larry59

04-10-2008 14:36:57




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 interesting...thanks in reply to Vernon in Ks, 04-10-2008 10:52:43  
Ok got it now.. makes sense to me now. As for the cost bothering me. It does not! For I don't use hay around this place. *S



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J Schwiebert

04-10-2008 10:33:01




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 Re: Got me to thinking in reply to Larry59, 04-10-2008 08:58:34  
There is more straw than hay baled around here. They are all small square bales. Why?. Because you can put a lot more on a semi and all this hay and straw goes a couple hundred miles from here. Maybe 2 guys sell some hay within 50 miles and then not much.



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Kelly C

04-10-2008 09:42:02




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 Re: Got me to thinking in reply to Larry59, 04-10-2008 08:58:34  
The only reason I or any one else does small square bales is for the person feeding them wants the ease and covienece of them.
They pay a premium for that.

Not sure why Horse people are not feeding large square bales. Alot cheaper than small square.
You can still break off flakes that you can feed by hand.



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Keith in NW MO

04-10-2008 10:35:51




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 Re: Got me to thinking in reply to Kelly C, 04-10-2008 09:42:02  
Less waste....



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Nancy Howell

04-10-2008 10:29:23




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 Re: Got me to thinking in reply to Kelly C, 04-10-2008 09:42:02  
For some horse owners its a handling issue. One person can handle a small square easily, but rounds and large squares require equipment to load, unload and stack.



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