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Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck in RAIN?

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RobMD

04-09-2008 18:36:29




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Is there any cause for concern while using this setup hauling a 730 diesel in hard rain this weekend? I'm going up to the mountains to get it, i'm worried about fishtailing!

What can I do besides have my good BFG all terrain tires aired to 75 pounds on my F350? Maybe set the gain wheel on the trailer breaks up a little higher than the truck brakes to hold back on the hills? My truck breaks are perfectly new. I'm using good binders with 3/8 chain.

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jlmtractor

04-10-2008 16:57:50




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck i... in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
shoot you talk about to much weight we use to pull a directional drill with mud tanks and a three hundred gallons of water behind my 1998 one ton dodge on a 25 foot gooseneck I was grossing 30000 pounds gvw and drove through the mountains of wv. but anyways you should be fine just dont run really fast and stay in low gear



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Bill in Colo

04-10-2008 12:28:41




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck i... in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
I occasionally haul a 2470 Case on 24ft tanden dual goose neck pulled by a F350 ford with singles. Tractor is not dualed or weighted. I just go slow.



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balatonm

04-10-2008 07:20:51




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck i... in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
You should be fine, just pray a lot and take a few extra pares of undershorts. You may need them.



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Mike M

04-10-2008 06:16:25




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck i... in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
I have hauled 720 Diesel on a 25 foot gooseneck tandem dual trailer behind my 1996 Dodge 2500 with a 360 GAS engine and was fine. I have electric brakes and they are not much help for a quick stop though. Pulling has never been a problem stopping is. If you have a manual tranny ? just keep it geared down and go slow. I have an auto and it doesn't hold back much at all.



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jose bagge

04-10-2008 04:17:08




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck i... in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
yOU'LL be fine.....The rain and mist will keep that powerstroke cool and making power!
where ya headed!?



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big jt

04-09-2008 22:04:51




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck i... in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
I agree with earlier statements about not setting up the trailer brakes to tight. That is what causes jacknifing. However with a 730 it will be tough to do that if you load it so the trailer is carrying most of the weight. Too much gain on the brakes when empty will get you in real trouble in a hurry.

As T-bone mentioned your tounge weight is important also. With a fifth wheel you won't be real sensitive to too little (make sure you have some) However too much will get you in trouble also (can cause the front axle to lock up and lose steering).

A common rule of thumb is to go down hills in the same gear you would need to climb it. That has been modified now due to bigger engines and you should use one gear lower.

Use your head and you will get yourself and your new toy home in one piece. Oh yeah tie it down independently all four directions. AND FOR GOSH SAKES IF YOU ARE GOING TO POST A PICTURE OF YOUR CATCH DON'T TAKE IT AFTER YOU HAVE UNTIED IT AND BEFORE YOU UNLOADED IT, There are people here that will flame you to a cinder for that, Just ask Allen ;-P

jt

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T_Bone

04-09-2008 21:18:43




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck i... in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
Hi Rob,

You left out the most important part of the question. Is the trailer rated to carry the weight of the tractor?

A JD730 weighs about 8000# wet plus the trailer weight approx 6000# plus the weight of the F350 about 7500#, puts you right at 22500GCW. That's a good sized load for a F350 SRW with a inexperienced driver pulling in the rain. You could also easyly add another 1000# too your gross weight for carrying rain water.

You'll need to adjust your pin weight so you don't exceed your F350 tire weight rating. At the above weights, that's getting close to not having enough pin weight for trailer stability control of approx 15% of trailer gross weight at the lightest recomend pin weight for GN trailers.

A good rule of thumb for attaining the correct pin weight is to measure your bumper height with the empty trailer attcached. Then drive the load weight forward until the bumper drops 2.5" from the empty measurement. This will be the correct pin weight for 99% of the TV/trailer combinations made.

When descending grades, I never use my brakes more than 3 times with-in the grade length or I'm in too high of a gear ratio. I use lower transmission gears to hold the load weight. Yes, even with a automatic you'll need to manualy select the correct gear for the grade. Error on the slow side.

I always use my trailer brakes first, period! I manually apply my trailer brakes then lightly apply my TV brakes. If you have a PSD, then you will need to use red line rpm for compression braking, approx 3400rpm max, then brake aggressively to 3000rpm, then let up on the brakes to return to 3400rpm then repeat. This keeps the brakes cooler rather than lightly riding the brakes. Using this method, I can get 100k miles out of my TV brakes.

Pulling in rain is just like pulling in snow. If the grade will let you run 30mph under dry conditions then I run at 15mph under wet roads. If there's any chance of ice or snow pack, then it's tire chains on all axles on grades.

T_Bone

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cahess

04-10-2008 09:03:28




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck i... in reply to T_Bone, 04-09-2008 21:18:43  
Couple weeeks ago seen 2 Dodge trucks pulling about 40 foot goose necks.3500dODGE HAD A ih with loader on front -1850 oliver-1206 ih with 1000lb or so front weights.Must have grossed 41000 lb. Tractors were used an probably had fluid in tires.Other 2500Dodge had 2 40 or so long goose necks with a Jda or g on rear of top trailer . Tractor was at a 45degree nose up attitude.They realoaded trailer with 3 tractors- put heavier ih on front of trailer.

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ScottyHOMEy

04-09-2008 19:35:23




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck i... in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
Don't set your trailer brakes so hot that they might lock up and hydroplane when you're just shading the vehicle brake. I adjust the brakes for the load and, if I get into heavy rain or slippery stuff will a) slow down and b) actually dial the trailer brakes down some.



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coloken

04-09-2008 19:06:20




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck in R in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
My budie's boy just brought a 24 footer down Berthoud pass last week following a snow plow. Said he had to touch the hand brake a couple of times to straighen her out. Chev 4 wheeler 3/4 ton. Unloaded. He DID HAVE CHAINS ON THE TRAILER AND ALL 4 WHEELS AS REQUIRED.



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wallacedw

04-09-2008 18:56:45




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck in R in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  

RobMD said: (quoted from post at 18:36:29 04/09/08) Is there any cause for concern while using this setup hauling a 730 diesel in hard rain this weekend? I'm going up to the mountains to get it, i'm worried about fishtailing!

What can I do besides have my good BFG all terrain tires aired to 75 pounds on my F350? Maybe set the gain wheel on the trailer breaks up a little higher than the truck brakes to hold back on the hills? My truck breaks are perfectly new. I'm using good binders with 3/8 chain.


You should be fine. Just go slow and think ahead.

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amo

04-09-2008 18:50:08




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 Re: Driving 24'Gooseneck trailer with single axle truck in R in reply to RobMD, 04-09-2008 18:36:29  
do a lot of praying



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