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troyr

03-15-2008 11:42:58




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I did what DickL&Hal & alot of other people said and found the mag's firing order and matched it to the tractor's put the plugs back in and on the third crank it fired with the gas off.I stopped so I could call the day successful,It was too late to pull it.It has New rings and valves and I'm leary of cranking it with the added compression and my timing all crazy.Anybody have a real safe technique of crank starting?Going out to try and start it right now.Hear is the latest firing order.Troy in Wa. third party image

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El Toro

03-16-2008 07:58:09




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to troyr, 03-15-2008 11:42:58  
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Hi Troy, I see you used that 1-2-4-3 firing order. I know you're happy now. Happy Tractoring. I would like to catch some of those big fish in your area. Hal
PS: Here's a cousin to your tractor that was repainted for Christmas for the original owner.
His daughter had it repainted as a surprise Xmas gift to her dad. He bought new in 1954.

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fixerupper

03-15-2008 17:06:22




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to troyr, 03-15-2008 11:42:58  
At our local threshing show an older gentleman asked me to put the mag back on his oliver 80. I'd never worked on an 80 before and didn't know where the timing marks were so I pulled plug # 1 and went from there to find the timing. This guy was only about 5'4" tall and didn't have an ounce of fat on him, and he was about 80 years old. He couldn't have weighed any more than 120 dripping wet. Well, I got the mag on and he wanted to crank it himself, so I told him I didn't know if it was timed right, so BE CAREFUL.
He put one foot on the front wheel, grabbed the crank with both hands locked around each other, and when he pulled it started the first time over. Boy was I relieved! I was so afraid it was going to kick and rip his arms off. Whew! Jim

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DickL

03-15-2008 16:59:44




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 FANTASTIC in reply to troyr, 03-15-2008 11:42:58  
I see you do have a geared magneto that turns the rotor CCW. You have 1-2-4-3 in reverse to how the B normally is. The magneto drive turns CW. The magneto that comes with that tractor is direct drive.



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Mike in Ohio

03-15-2008 15:49:36




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to troyr, 03-15-2008 11:42:58  
Troy I just went out and looked at my b. It has the fairbanks morse fmj mag the firing order is 1243 cylinder #1 goes to top inside plug on cap #2 to top outside #4 to bottom outside and #3 to bottom inside. As to hand cranking keep your hand flat and your thumb under the crank. If you need to use two hands put one under the other do not lace your fingers together, and keep both thumbs under the crank. If it kicks back you are not going to stop it, if your hands are just loosly pulling without grabbing it, it will blow through them without hurting anything. Good luck, Mike

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Goose

03-15-2008 13:32:52




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to troyr, 03-15-2008 11:42:58  
Hand cranking isn't to be taken lightly, particularly if the timing's in question.

When I was a kid, a neighbor of ours suffered a broken leg when a CC Case kicked back. He limped till the day he died.



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El Toro

03-16-2008 10:43:57




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to Goose, 03-15-2008 13:32:52  
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Take a look at this bruise a man suffered when hand cranking a garden tractor in KY. Hal



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36 coupe

03-16-2008 03:32:37




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to Goose, 03-15-2008 13:32:52  
I have seen plenty of injuries from hand cranking over the years.A fellow names Kettering invented the electric starter after his friend was killed hand cranking a car.A small engine can kick back bad enough.



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GUIDO

03-15-2008 13:24:27




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to troyr, 03-15-2008 11:42:58  
HELLO TROYR
THAT WAS THE WAY I TOLD YOU TO MOVE THE WIRES. I thought that was the problem!
Glad you got it going:>).
Giodo.



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Allan In NE

03-15-2008 12:43:36




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to troyr, 03-15-2008 11:42:58  
There,

That looks better! :>)

Allan



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Bill(Wis)

03-15-2008 12:07:59




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to troyr, 03-15-2008 11:42:58  
Sure. Hold the crank in the flat palm of your hand. Do not grasp the crank by placing your thumb around it. Pull Up on the crank with your thumb UNDER it the same as your fingers. Even safer is to only turn 1/4 turns, UP. Always pull up. Never push down on the crank. Stand back a little so if she kicks the crank will pull itself out of your hand and when it spins it won't hit you. I did mention to have the trans in neutral and clutch locked down (if the B has that feature, WC did) when you do this. That magnificent magneto has an impulse coupling which, when cranking (slow turning) will retard and intensify the spark. That's the "snap" you hear when cranking. Anyway, by retarding the spark, most of the danger of it kicking is removed. Don't ever let anyone talk you into a coil and distributer for that little jewel of a tractor you have.

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Bill(Wis)

03-15-2008 12:12:17




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to Bill(Wis), 03-15-2008 12:07:59  
I do know how to spell "distributor". I was just conducting a test.



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Sloroll

03-15-2008 12:50:26




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to Bill(Wis), 03-15-2008 12:12:17  
Sorry for not remembering but aren't Allis timed 1243 IH 1342? or is it different for different models? I get confused easily.

I generally belt the old girls up the first time. That way I see the oil pressure is up before I put fuel or fire to her. Saves a busted arm if she wants to backfire too.



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Dick L

03-15-2008 17:20:31




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to Sloroll, 03-15-2008 12:50:26  
Dont read his numbers. He has a number 4 going to plug 3. follow the wires.



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Sloroll

03-15-2008 13:02:48




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to Sloroll, 03-15-2008 12:50:26  
I hate to butt in Troy. I am pretty sure you still have two wires off. I believe you need to switch that No3 and No2 wire. I am sorry to be a pest. I just don't want it to back fire and hurt you. I could be wrong but I urge you to check a manual or a staunch Allis man before you start cranking on that. If I am wrong I am truly sorry for butting in.



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Dick L

03-15-2008 17:01:20




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to Sloroll, 03-15-2008 13:02:48  
He has it right for that magneto.



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Bill(Wis)

03-15-2008 14:47:57




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 Re: Fired on day 4 in reply to Sloroll, 03-15-2008 13:02:48  
1243. I think his mag turns CCW.



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