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TomTex

03-12-2008 19:37:45

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Shell station, Interstate 20, Weatherford, Mar 12, regular 87 gas 3.159, diesel 3.899. Wow, the amount that ULSD exceeds regular gas is getting more and more: 74 cents per gallon. Tom

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dave2

03-14-2008 01:01:52

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

Damn trucker..... You almost had me on your side. If you'd have thrown in Hulk Hogan, Richard Petty, and Ted Nugent I'da been yours. Anyway, just continue to badmouth, and please do it publicly and loudly. Preferrably in a place where plenty of vets hang out. It's guys (?) like you that end up on TV describing what a tornado sounds like, and sadly enough, on the news in other countries, with your ignorance becoming THE opinion of the American People.

Run down our President, you run down our Country. Love it or leave it. May want to do it soon while you can still afford the gas to get to a border.

Dave

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Vito

03-13-2008 17:21:03

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

Diesel 4.259 in CT.Rose 6 cents today.I guess tomorrow will go up again.
Happy( painful) motoring
Vito

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doug in illinois

03-13-2008 13:06:03

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

Diesel in Colchester IL 4.079
Gasoline 3.259

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Stephen R. Horton-TX

03-13-2008 09:32:52

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to Verniee, 03-13-2008 08:50:48

Its not the Dems, they haven't gotten a lot done (yet). Cost of fuel/oil going up is because the value of the Dollar worldwide is going down. Oil is traded in dollars, and the Saudi's are gonna get theirs no matter. Bush is printing money right and left in order to borrow and pay for the war; result is your money's not worth as much.
stephen

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Hey trucker 40

03-13-2008 16:03:43

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to trucker40, 03-13-2008 15:23:56

Why don't you post what they said. And then tell me how the President sets the oil prices around the world. And then tell me why gas is higher in just about every other country.

We buy most of our oil from Canada but Canadians pay way more at the pump than we do. Tell me how that works.

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Mark - IN.

03-13-2008 08:12:50

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

Well, diesel in Bristol, IN. is $3.80 per gallon.

A month or so ago when there was that explosion at whatever refinery it was at, I believe somewhere in Texas, before they even finished announcing it, I was saying "Here we go again, $4.00 per gallon", and before they even finish repairing it, or just about the time they do and we have another "explosion" or "leak" or back firing car out in the parking lot of some other refinery or pipeline, I'll be ready to say "Here we go again, top $4.00 per gallon". Funny thing though...anyone hear anything out of DC about "allowing" drilling or "allowing" building refineries or anything of the sort? No, that's because that loan from China that's supposed to put $600 in most folk's pockets to "stimulate" the economy will fix it, before it has to be paid back to China, with interest. DC's silence is DEAFENING.

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Chunky Stoole

03-13-2008 06:54:07

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

I've heard that the big money speculators are a lot of what's behind the fuel prices doing this $4 a gallon quest.

It seems the economy is sorta in the tank (so to speak), and with this the comododies markets and it's fuel speculators have found a method to take the American public for more!!!!

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T-Rev

03-13-2008 05:55:58

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

Guys, I read a few months ago that Ford is coming out with a 2009 diesel F-150 that"ll get 25 mpg. 4.4 liter diesel v8, this is a definate thing. Search for it on google and you can find some info. However I also have read that they"re getting close on research to an F-150 with diesel/electric with power also saved and generated hydraulically from braking. There is talk that this could realistically get 60 mpg! I"m not going to hold my breath, but its fun to think about.

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T-Rev

03-13-2008 06:11:12

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to T-Rev, 03-13-2008 05:55:58

I've often thought that even work trucks spend their time mostly commuting. I work for an excavating/highway construction company, and we put 40,000 miles a year on company F-250's. Going back to my previous post about the hybrid "60 mpg" F-150's. At 14 mpg with 3.25 average gas, even at 50 mpg with 4.00 diesel then one of these hybrid F-150's would save $5500 per year.

But to start lively conversation, I honestly believe that there are very very few people that couldn't get by with even a 150 hp fullsize truck. Most work trucks spend 90% of their time hauling tools and parts. My thought is unless you pull a huge trailer more that 10% of the time you are limited not by hp, but by the load capacity of the truck. You may not accelerate to 60 in 6 seconds, but for $5500 dollars a year I'd take the compromise, and still easily work the wheels off of a pickup.

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T-Rev

03-13-2008 06:18:33

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to T-Rev, 03-13-2008 06:11:12

My final thought is this, by the higher old hp rating, for the 1964 Ford fullsize trucks you could get a 208 hp 352 as a "powerhouse" or an economy straight 6 with 137 hp. I know that the guys back then got their work done!

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Tom Holland

03-13-2008 05:27:22

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

My Old 79 Ford F250 with a 460 gets about 5-9mpg.... That's "Minutes Per Gallon" idling. Gas needle goes left as the speed odometer goes right when ya start actually driving.

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dave2

03-13-2008 02:29:24

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

Here in Germany it's the opposite by about the same margin. Also, there is no cost difference between regular and super UL . Now, I work for the Army and get discounted fuel coupons. Still pay real close to what you folks are paying, just not all the taxes Germans pay.

We use the same fuel as the Germans (there's not an extra slew for the Americans), but, when buying coupons, diesel costs more that gas and there is a difference between the UL prices. Still haven't figured that one out. Diesel cars are pretty common here. The new VW Beetles get 60 mpg. I've noticed that, even though folks drive a lot faster here, fuel economy in vehicles is different. Sometimes in the same car (ie. my wife has an American spec dodge stratus and gets about 20mpg. A person she works with has the same car w/ the same eng/trans that is the chrysler stratus (German specs) and gets 25 mpg.
I can't verify it other than google, but, my VW passat (German specs) gets better than the same car sold in the States.

Go figure.

Dave

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guido

03-13-2008 12:50:18

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to dave2, 03-13-2008 02:29:24

Hello Dave2.
German spec vehicles do not have all the pollution stuff the American counterpart have.
They do not pass U.S EPA pollution standards, that is the reason for the better fuel mileage.
You get to go fast on the Autoban.
My land lord would go from Nurenberg to Munich in 1 hr 15. min. Take me 2 hours, with my Opel kadet 1.5 liter speed racer. Guido.

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dave2

03-14-2008 01:12:16

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to guido, 03-13-2008 12:50:18

guido said: (quoted from post at 12:50:18 03/13/08) Hello Dave2.

German spec vehicles do not have all the pollution stuff the American counterpart have.

They do not pass U.S EPA pollution standards, that is the reason for the better fuel mileage.

You get to go fast on the Autoban.

My land lord would go from Nurenberg to Munich in 1 hr 15. min. Take me 2 hours, with my Opel kadet 1.5 liter speed racer.
Guido.

You must have been here a while ago LOL. Nurnberg has been closed for almost 18 years. Roads have gotten better and pollution standards have rose. Opel Kadets are a lot sportier these days too. Did you enjoy your stay here? when was it?

Dave

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CenTexFarmall

03-12-2008 20:41:53

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

With a .70 cent spread, a 30mpg gas costs about the same on fuel as a 40mpg diesel.

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RobMD

03-12-2008 20:54:40

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to CenTexFarmall, 03-12-2008 20:41:53

That's the thing- where the heil do you get a 40 mpg diesel?

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jdemaris

03-13-2008 05:52:48

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to RobMD, 03-12-2008 20:54:40

I've got several. Just buy used if you really want one. I have two 91 Volkswagen diesel Jettas that average around 46 MPG on the highway but have gotten 51 MPG at times. I also have two 1981 Chevy Chevette diesels - both get around 43 MPG highway but can get as high as 48 MPG. Also got an Isuzu 4WD diesel mini-truck that can get 36 MPG if I baby it.

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03-12-2008 21:05:12

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to RobMD, 03-12-2008 20:54:40

A buddy at work drives a diesel VW bug and gets 45 miles per gallon while beating the tar out of it and driving 75 on the interstate. If he is easy on it and drives 60 mph, he gets 55+. There are several others at work that report the same from their VW's so I'm pretty sure he isn't blowing smoke.

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RobMD

03-12-2008 21:34:14

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to e, 03-12-2008 21:05:12

oh. i forgot about those- my fathers freind drives one, so no smoke from me either.

Now I DO know that these aren't seen everyday. Diesel small cars are a rarity.

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hay

03-13-2008 05:00:46

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to RobMD, 03-12-2008 21:34:14

way back in 1984, my wife purchased a new chevrolet chevette DIESEL. one of only three in the houston texas area. that little car regurlary got 39 mpg in town driving and out on open road at fairly steady highway speed got 51 mpg. it was a 4 cylinder isuzu diesel with a 5 speed tranny. very cramped little car and extremely hard to work on, but the fuel mileage was great. sure wish they were still made now.

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jdemaris

03-13-2008 05:55:10

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to hay, 03-13-2008 05:00:46

I've to two 1981 diesel 4 door Chevettes. Not cramped and not hard to work on. I'm 5'10" and there's plenty of room for me, dog, and little kid, and wife at times.

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hay

03-13-2008 06:49:46

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to jdemaris, 03-13-2008 05:55:10

my '84 chevette was cramped as i'm over 6' and at the time i had a wife and 2 children and the car was a 2 door. under the hood was a nightmare to get to almost anything, but the fuel mileage was great. now, if the car makers would make a small diesel car that a big man could get into COMFORTABLY, then i might buy one for a runaround car and leave the gas hog truck at home.

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jdemaris

03-13-2008 07:16:12

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to hay, 03-13-2008 06:49:46

Seems a two-door would be kind of miserable. Both our diesel Chevettes and diesel Volkswagens are four doors. That being said - we don't use any of them for long trips - just local suff and 50 mile trips to the supermarket. We do all our traveling in a K5 Chevy Blazer or an extended-cab full size truck with a slide-on camper on the back. The diesel K5 Blazers get around 21 MPG highway. Dodge W250 with the Cummins 5.9 also gets around 20 MPG and my Ford F250 witha 7.3 turbo gets around 16 MPG at best.

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cj3b_jeep

03-13-2008 05:05:14

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to hay, 03-13-2008 05:00:46

My buddy had one of those. It was a hard starting thing in the cold and was not a rocket by any stretch, 0-60 was like 14-15 second, but man that thing got great mileage! Ford also had a Tempo diesel and a diesel Ranger.

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03-12-2008 21:41:34

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to RobMD, 03-12-2008 21:34:14

I agree that diesel cars are a rarity. It's really sad actually. I just read an article that Subaru is launching a diesel engine for their cars. Guess what....it's not going to be offered in the US! And how about the VW diesel hybrid capable of 70+ mpg when compared to the Prius 40 mpg....not in the US either. I just don't get it.

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gene bender

03-13-2008 05:45:30

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to e, 03-12-2008 21:41:34

EPA standards wont let the car in US.

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RobMD

03-12-2008 21:54:32

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to e, 03-12-2008 21:41:34

Darned sure I'd buy one. Right now, all I can do is stick to the 4 cylinder halfway decent gas cars such as a newer honda civic or the like. What else can we do, really? America loves their Tahoes and expeditions so much that subaru and the other little guys don't fart around with us.

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INCase

03-13-2008 05:04:28

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to RobMD, 03-12-2008 21:54:32

When we 1st got maried we had an 85 Ford Escort. Absolutely a plain-Jane no options. Didn"t even have a 5 speed it was only 4. But that thing got 40mpg on the highway. That was with a non-computerized, carburated engine. (note: it was a piece of junk and the motor went up at 86000 miles). Now you can not buy a car without a lot of goodies which all take power and add weight sucking up more gas. Our old mini-van would get 27-29 MPG highway, our new one with the "same" engine/trans is lucky to get 23 highway. I suspect mostly because it has more stuff on it and is heavier.

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IH2444

03-12-2008 20:49:02

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to CenTexFarmall, 03-12-2008 20:41:53

Of course diesle has more BTU's per gallon, we seem to pay by the BTU now for fuel.

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Nancy Howell

03-12-2008 20:03:15

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

Yup. It used to be .74 or more LESS than reg. Can anyone explain why diesel is now more than reg?

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jdemaris

03-13-2008 06:00:27

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to Nancy Howell, 03-12-2008 20:03:15

Simple. We are paying extra #1 for the hydro-treatment that is used to remove the sulfur, and then #2 we are paying extra for the lube additives that have to be put back into the fuel after the treatment.

Plain, good old fashioned high-sulfur off-road diesel right now, in my area is $2.59 per gallon. ULSD at the pump is $4.19.

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gene bender

03-13-2008 00:18:41

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to Nancy Howell, 03-12-2008 20:03:15

Supply and demand thecold winter keeping refinerys making heating oil and EPA. Would anyone know just where you could build a new refinery. Heard a big wheel speak from SHELL says they even have a hard time just building an expansion with locals and then everyones friend EPA. NOT IN MY BACK YARD seems to be another fence to cross. Same way with another pipeline. Same way with drilling another hole for more supply. NOT IN MY BACK YARD. Prices mite come down if the board of trade stopped bidding the prices up and as long as the demand is there this is what we have.

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Spook

03-13-2008 01:51:04

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to gene bender, 03-13-2008 00:18:41

We had a refinery shut down here in Michigan. But the reason for the shutdown was that the company wanted to operate larger, fewer refineries. But this is also self serving, when they cut capacity they create a shortage. I think there was a thread on here several months ago, refineries were shut down all over the country during the 90's. Not due to the EPA, just the oil companies wanted less capacity. The US now imports a lot of gasoline and diesel now, the refining is done offshore

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TravisB

03-12-2008 20:03:14

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Re: Diesel Versus Regular Gas in reply to TomTex, 03-12-2008 19:37:45

here in illinois gas is 3.29 and diesel is 3.99

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