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*OT* Is there any truth to this?

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rgvtx

03-09-2008 09:48:54




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TIPS ON PUMPING GAS I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon.. Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons. Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps. When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount. Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some f the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you get the most value for your money. DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS! WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor. An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil. These companies import Middle Eastern oil: Shell..... . 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco..... ... 144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil..... ..... ... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels Amoco..... .62,231,000 barrels Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: Sunoco..... 0 barrels Conoco..... 0 barrels Sinclair....0 barrels B P/Phillips..... ..... 0 barrels Hess..... ..0 barrels ARC0..... ..0 barrels If you go to Sunoco.com, you will get a list of the station locations near you. All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas
buyers. It's really simple to do.

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

03-10-2008 20:03:31




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 Re: Stretching your , and gas economy in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
Where are you going to find an engine with a carberator to install a Tornado on?



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buickanddeere

03-09-2008 19:51:43




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 recycled half truths again Is there any truth ? in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
Pumps here are temperature compensated to 15C year around.



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B-maniac

03-09-2008 17:26:35




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 Re: *OT* Is there any truth to this? in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
First of all , we don't HAVE to import....we CHOOSE to import! Therein lies the root of the problem.



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B-maniac

03-09-2008 17:26:26




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 Re: *OT* Is there any truth to this? in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
First of all , we don't HAVE to import....we CHOOSE to import! Therein lies the root of the problem.



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Bruce Hopf

03-09-2008 17:00:17




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 Re: Stretching your , and gas economy in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
Has anyboby ever considered using a mechanizm called a Tornado in their vechiles, to increase fuel econamy I have installed one in my 1996, GMC Searria, 4x4 last year. Instead of driving with 1500 rpm, at highway speeds of 50 to 55 mph, I dropped down to 1350 rpm. I then installed a reausable air filter, made by K&N filters. With the two of these together, my engine rpms have dropped down to around 1200 to 1250rpms at highway speeds. During these winter months, I hardly get my truck out of four wheel drive, and I am averageing around 17 to 19 miles IMP Gallon. I feel that is good for a 350. I got my Tornado at my GMC dealership,. and my K&N air filter at TSC. Just my thoughts anyway. With the gas prices going the way they are, every little bit helps. I don't know about the Deisel Pickup Trucks, if there is a Tornado for them. Won't hurt to check into.

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Bob

03-09-2008 17:17:56




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 Re: Stretching your , and gas economy in reply to Bruce Hopf, 03-09-2008 17:00:17  
"Instead of driving with 1500 rpm, at highway speeds of 50 to 55 mph, I dropped down to 1350 rpm."

All I can say is "INTERESTING, VERY interesting!

What did you do, repair the lockup torque convertor system at the same time you installed the "magic" device?



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Bruce Hopf

03-10-2008 19:58:11




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 Re: Stretching your , and gas economy in reply to Bob, 03-09-2008 17:17:56  
Bob
A freind of mine, bought a 1999 Chevy Blasser, and after 3 weeks, he installed the Tornado, then he installed the K&N Air Filter System. Instead of using 18 liters of gas, per 100 km, prior to instulation, he dropped down to using 11 liters of gas, per 100 km. The Tornado goes in the air intake of your engine, just before the carb. The air filter goes where your air filter goes. If posible Look up Tornado Fuel Saver, and K&N air filters, on the internet. I saw a demonstration on the K&N Air Filter, and I was sold. The typical air filter starves the engine of air, causing the engine to work harder for it air. They took a Fram air filter, put it in a air tight box, with a fan, and a tube running vertical, with a ping pong ball inside. They turned the fan on, and the ping pong ball hardly moved. Without making any adjustments, to the machine, Insalled the K&N Filter, turned the machine back on, and the ping pong ball was at the top of the tube. I was so impressed that I installed the Air Filter. With the 2 of them, I incressed my gas milage as well, and better preformance too.

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tlak

03-09-2008 14:14:58




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 Re: *OT* Is there any truth to this? in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
Most cars fuel systems are closed. Vapors go to a carcoal canister then into the engine, so you're burning any evaporation. Evaporation and temperture change on my 10 gallons ain't going to matter a whole lot.



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rrlund

03-09-2008 13:18:41




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 Re: *OT* Is there any truth to this? in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
Anybody old enough to remember the 70s? This is all starting to sound like a whole lotta dejavu. Bring on Cousin Jimmy Earl!



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jdemaris

03-09-2008 11:21:26




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 Re: *OT* Is there any truth to this? in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
Some of the companies listed - e.g. BP do indeed buy middle-eastern oil. As I said before, those claims probably only apply to the BP America division - NOT the entire company. And BP owns many of the other names you listed.

In regard to fuel-temp when sold at the pump. Canada already legislates fuel pricing according to temerature when sold at the pump. As I understand it, much of the USA will be doing the same in a few years.

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Andrew Z

03-09-2008 11:13:24




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 Re: *OT* Is there any truth to this? in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
Iv worked at a station for 8+years and the temp of the fuel in the ground does not change very much if at all between summer and winter about 47- 53F. Also too the whole part about filling up while a delivery is made is the biggest myth in history, there are a total of 6 filters between the tank in the ground and the nozzle.


Andrew



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bluedog

03-09-2008 10:48:23




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 Re: *OT* Is there any truth to this? in reply to rgvtx, 03-09-2008 09:48:54  
Aw coma on. That first one is a line of crap. The tenp isn't going to change over night. Anybody with half a brain knows it doesn't even change over the winter at not to much of a depth.



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flashback

03-09-2008 14:59:32




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 Re: *OT* Is there any truth to this? in reply to bluedog, 03-09-2008 10:48:23  
During the course of my travels in this life I had the opp to build several hundreds of gas stations mostly in the south but also installed several pumping stations at places where I was building large commercial buildings(one thing led to another) and I retired from the business in 1987 so there may be several things that have changed. First of all the pumping during a drop was years ago a concern because the use of waterball filters as not very common. As far as dirt goes, non. There are so many filters before the truck or car you wold not want to pay for them. and if they get clogged with h20 or other material they get very slow. Most tanks are buried to aa depth of for to 6 feet and the bottom will rest at leaast 12 foot down. Temperature changes are hard to come by except when a loaded 8000 gallon tannker sits in the sun all day before dropping. Also refer to several posts in the last few adays about who buys what. I did know of a tank of diesel that sat in the tanker almost 30 days before being dropped and it was so full of algea that it had to be pumped back out and polished twices before being used. Which also reminds me,if diesel has algea in it keep in mind that the algea needs h20 to blossom. Gues what else in present. Henry

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