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Would MFWD be our best choice?

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jason, NW Ontar

03-06-2008 12:51:41




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Hello all:
Our soils have high clay/silt content, grade is slight with some low pockets, snow accumulation can be quite high throughout the winter, spring and fall can be very wet. Is a MFWD machine going to suit us better once we're living on this property, or will we be okay with just chains on the calcium-filled tires? Our driveway is almost 1000 ft, we'll eventually be looking for a second, bigger machine with cab for pushing snow, blowing snow, loader work, etc. Any thoughts?

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jason, NW Ontario

03-06-2008 21:19:03




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  
Thanks for the input. Dare I ask what good older models to look out for? It would have to be 60hp minimum. I've heard the Landini's are solid, and I was eyeing a JD 1840 recently. What Case, Agco, or IH models are out there in MFWD? I probably couldn't afford anything younger than early 90's.
Thanks again.



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buickanddeere

03-06-2008 19:39:07




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  
M4WD..... ..... yes. You will not purchase a tractor with 2WD for loader or draft loads afterwards.



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Tradititonal Farmer

03-06-2008 19:30:59




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  
4WD is nice but most of your mechanical problems are going to involve the front wheel drive part of the tractor.



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Texasmark

03-08-2008 06:53:20




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 03-06-2008 19:30:59  
Maybe that's why my Branson has a 2.4 gallon tranny/hydraulic oil sump up front rather than grease zerks immersing the entire front gear train in oil.....like OTR trucks do with their wheel bearings. I guess the designers wanted to reduce the opportunity for that to happen.

Mark



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Steven f/AZ

03-06-2008 17:16:40




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to steveormary, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  

Circus said: (quoted from post at 17:51:10 03/06/08) For snow a three point back blade is better. Works on anything, faster and alot cheaper. Using momentum you don't need chains.


For snow, a blower is best... makes the snow seem to disappear instead of pile up.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON

03-06-2008 17:59:39




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 03-06-2008 17:16:40  
A blade is fast and uses momentum effectively, but I agree that the snowblower is a better choice if there is any significant accumulation. I made the mistake of using the blade for the first snowfall this year and then had banks which filled up with drifts every time the wind blew. At first opportunity I blew the banks away and solved the problem.

We've now had over six feet of snow in Eastern Ontario. Rural driveways where blades have been used look like tunnels. City of Ottawa officials are worried that they have no more space for snow with banks on suburban streets often eight feet in height around driveways, and another 20" is expected just in time for the March Break expeditions south.

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circus

03-07-2008 02:48:22




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, 03-06-2008 17:59:39  
Agreed. Snow blower is best but be aware of the tractor speed in reverse. Mine is way to fast for a blower.



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Circus

03-06-2008 16:51:10




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  
For snow a three point back blade is better. Works on anything, faster and alot cheaper. Using momentum you don't need chains.



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Steven f/AZ

03-06-2008 16:05:14




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  
After operating several loader equipped tractors to feed cattle, move snow, and pile/haul manure I would go with the MFWD every time.

65 horsepower 2wd without cab was OK

115 horsepower 2wd with a cab was better

150 horsepower MFWD with cab equipped with heat and AC is a God sent!

On a 2wd tractor with a loader 90% of your problems with getting stuck or spinning is due to the weight on the front wheels and them "pushing" more than turning/spinning. With the MFWD tractor Dad currently has, the front tires are large enough to keep turning and float over most of what used to cause the other tractors to "push" I don't believe he has even needed to kick in the MFWD yet.

If you can afford the MFWD, it is 10x better and will hold value better.

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Texasmark

03-06-2008 14:14:36




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  
I guess your question has to do with 4wd or 2wd. I just bought a Branson 65 hp (engine, PTO is stated at 57 but I know better) 4wd tractor. I am 66, been on this farm since "69, never had a 4wd in my life, of any kind, as I was able to do without it.....so I thought.

On a new tractor 4wd costs about $4000 more bucks. My immediate observation of this was the fact that I am pulling implements faster, with this tractor that I used to pull with my JD 4010 which is around 85 hp and for about 1/4 the fuel. Plus I have the comfort of the cab. The overall tractor is smaller (shorter wheelbase, and closer to the ground) so it is more manueverable around the farm and for household/yard chores and the loader just makes for a super deal.

The money you spend for 4wd easily offsets the higher priced higher hp 2wd tractor necessary to do the job and you also enjoy the fuel savings which, in todays market is getting to be priority 1.....right behind the cost of seed and fertilizer.

I got mine for 5.99% interest, traded in 3 old tractors for it and it is easily doing most of the work around the farm that I used to use 7 tractors to do. I still have my 100 hp JD 4230 2wd with cab to do my initial plowing and pull my JD 530 5x6 round baler.....and I pay the price on fuel to run that sucker; but other than that it sits in the barn.

Mark

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JDknut

03-06-2008 14:04:03




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  
With a loader, MFWD is the way to go, especially with that size driveway in snow country. With a smaller driveway, you might be get by with chains on a 2WD tractor, but when clearing that 1000 footer, you will be glad for the MFWD, chains or no chains. If there is no room for the MFWD in the budget, then the chains are critical. If you aren't moving snow, then it is not so critical. BTW, I have seen soils of your type excavated with a MFWD tractor.

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495man

03-06-2008 13:29:49




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to trucker40, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  
You might get away with 2wd(diff lock equipped) with fluid and chains(in winter) and be ok the rest of the year if you take the loader off the tractor, in the winter the chains are the key. If you aren't putting a loader on/don't have one than 2wd makes good cost sense.
Our loader tractor is 2wd, run fluid and chains in the winter, gets by fine for plowing the yards etc, BUT running on soft ground or loading manure even with chains and counter weight is trying. To me the biggest mistake was not getting fwa (tractor was bought new) We basically avoid wet ground when the loader is on lest we get stuck....

I would get fwa on a loader tractor.....

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Mike M

03-06-2008 12:57:04




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to jason, NW Ontario, 03-06-2008 12:51:41  
Just like in a truck. Better to have it and not need it then NEED it and NOT have it !



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Ron in Nebr

03-06-2008 16:35:57




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to Mike M, 03-06-2008 12:57:04  
We never had a 4x4 pickup on our place 'till about 68 or so...grandad always claimed you'd get stuck less with a 2wd since you were less likely to try to go places that you shouldnt!

That being said, most of what I drive for work and otherwise is 4x4...and yep, they DO get stuck occasionally too!

As far as tractors, we havn't bought a 2wd since the early 80's(not counting my antiques). The 4x4 ones will just do things so much easier and faster in most cases...however, 90 percent of the time they're doing work that a 2wd could accomplish just as easily....AND, every time they're moving, they're wearing out all those expensive front end parts.....just got a quote for $17,000.00 to rebuild the front end and associated driveline on our loader tractor(JD 7600)....for that money we'd have been better off keeping an older 2wd loader tractor for the majority of the loader work and just using the 4x4 when it was needed.

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Ron in Nebr

03-06-2008 16:35:12




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to Mike M, 03-06-2008 12:57:04  
We never had a 4x4 pickup on our place 'till about 68 or so...grandad always claimed you'd get stuck less with a 2wd since you were less likely to try to go places that you shouldnt!

That being said, most of what I drive for work and otherwise is 4x4...and yep, they DO get stuck occasionally too!

As far as tractors, we havn't bought a 2wd since the early 80's(not counting my antiques). The 4x4 ones will just do things so much easier and faster in most cases...however, 90 percent of the time they're doing work that a 2wd could accomplish just as easily....AND, every time they're moving, they're wearing out all those expensive front end parts.....just got a quote for $17,000.00 to rebuild the front end and associated driveline on our loader tractor(JD 7600)....for that money we'd have been better off keeping an older 2wd loader tractor for the majority of the loader work and just using the 4x4 when it was needed.

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KRUSS1

03-06-2008 13:18:17




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 Re: Would MFWD be our best choice? in reply to Mike M, 03-06-2008 12:57:04  
If you can afford it then you will never be sorry you have it. As to affordability, remember that if you ever trade it or sell it, it's still MFWD.



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