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earl nikolas

02-23-2008 06:59:07

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Well I am trying to get an irrigation well and have struck out. Well driller cant find the aquifer even though he is top of the line hydrogeologist and we have the state geo maps showing we should be easily in the aquifer. Lots of wells in the area with some that were found by divining/witching in the 80's. I want to use a witcher and have not been able to find anyone through word of mouth or the net. Does anyone have any ideas how to find these pepole? I am in South Dakota

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Old Roy agiin

02-26-2008 20:24:10

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

I didn't beleive it myself, until my nephews father in law was dowsing at his place he found water in a couple spots, marked the good one. I tried it and it would not do nothing for me. What he did then I took left side of the peach limb in my left hand, he took right side in his right.We walked towards a spot serveral yards away from the marked spot and as we approached it he took my other hand I could not keep branch from pointing down. To you non believers try that with a good dowser, and you will get a good awakening. By the way he also told me, [a dowser usually has a perfect, unbroken "W" in the lines on one or both hands his right hand does.

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dave2

02-24-2008 10:52:38

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

Proof's in the pudding..... ....I found a drainpipe today. I (thought) was humoring an old neighbor guy. I'm dangerous now. I won't doubt anything these old folks tell me again.

Dave

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JMS/.MN

02-23-2008 20:50:59

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

I am a firm believer in those that can witch water. I know several, and they are generally laid back, relaxed people. I"ve tried their methods, with wires, etc., but I"m too nervous, high strung, whatever, to do it. But I"ve seen people mark the water lines on our farm, never having set foot on the farm before. Some well drillers around here rely on them as well, others do not. Our well is 212 feet deep, non-believer well driller set the pump at 5 gpm, afraid of pumping sediment- so the cows were always lacking . My son, when he set up his place a quarter mile away, had his witched by the well driller. 75 foot well pumps 35 gpm.

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GA Dave

02-23-2008 20:46:27

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Hotflashjr, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

A friend showed me how to DEVINE using a dogwood Y stick. It really works. I've had them to pull the bark off trying to keep them from pulling down. By the way Germ the purple circle is eggplants. David.

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jim in NY

02-23-2008 20:44:26

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

Water witcher's are Dowsers. The association is the national dowsers ASSN> headquartered in Vermont. Each State has a State chapter(s) of sorts. Nebraska ha s to have one also. Get on the NET, type in Dowsers and take it from there. The best book around on Dowsing is: The Divining Hand by Christopher Bird, read it , try it,and you will never be the same. Hope this helps.

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tn terry t

02-23-2008 12:52:42

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Mike M, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

Walt Davies said: (quoted from post at 11:37:21 02/23/08) I seen many water witchers in my lifetime and have yet to find one that will pay for a dry well. They all offer a guarantee "If I don't find water I will do it over for free" Big Deal.

Walt

well Mr walt ive been round here almost fifty years AND HAVE NEVER SEEN A dry well witched out :)

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36 coupe

02-24-2008 05:42:28

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to tn terry t, 02-23-2008 12:52:42

I have proof that water dowsing works but Walt aint gonna beleive it.He is closed minded like a friend of mine who wont eat yellow fleshed potatoes,purple string beans or red, yellow and pink stemed swiss chard I grow.There are 2 roads to the town on Newport here.He likes to take the poorer icy road that is loaded with hidden driveways and a bad hill where you could go over a bank into a stream when the road is icy.Ive checked milage both ways, they are identical to the tenth mile.He still insists the rough way is shorter.He refuses to beleive his car uses more gas at 65 than it would at 40.He a good fellow but is as dense as a granite post at times.He just bought a 2002 Chevy Prism car.While looking for an owners manual for it I found this car was made by Toyota in Ca.For chevy.Do I dare tell him this?

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Walt Davies

02-23-2008 22:06:33

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to tn terry t, 02-23-2008 12:52:42

Stick around a little longer terry you will find that its not science but smoke and mirrors. Walt

PS I don't really care if some of you believe an want to spend your money just keep them off my place.

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36 coupe

02-24-2008 04:24:52

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Walt Davies, 02-23-2008 22:06:33

Walt I can do it.I have seen actual proof that it works.My Uncle had to move his house back when an interstate hiway came thru.He had a fellow with a back hoe dig a new well.I hauled in the concrete well tile for him.His back was pretty bad .The backhoe got down 15 feet.Bud asked me if I would dig down deeper.He had dowsed the spot and said there was a strong stream coming from the east and a lesser one from the south.I dug down 3 more feet with no sign of water.There was a seam of sand about the size of BBs all around the wall.No water showing .I scratched the sand with the shovel and a large stream of water poured in. bud said try the south side,I did and a smaller stream poured in.The water was coming in fast so I started lowering in the tiles with the farm pickup.By the time I got the last tile set and back filled the well had 4 feet of water in it.My uncle had never seen the sand seam and and was the first one to see it.The water came in just as he had dowsed it.Going back a few years I hooked up to my dads dug well when I bought the acre lot next door and built a house.This worked ok until we had a dry summer.Friend and decided to drive a well point on my lot.I dowsed a spot.We put a pulley on a tree limb about 8 feet from the spot.We used a driving weight and a Shaw garden tractor with a large flt pulley on the engine.A rope was fitted several turns around the pulley and used as a capstan.We got down about 6 feet and hit some thing solid.We started digging and found a large rock.We were in hard pan, dad said dig a down sloping hole in the sidewall and roll the rock into it. We got down 15 feet and water started come in from the east side.We lowered the tile with an old plymouth and put the lid on.Example #3 5years later my house was in the way of the interstate highway.I looked for land but the cost had gone way up.I decided to get out of the area because of zoning.I wanted my own TV shop.A farmer I worked for had a lot about a mile away.He bought my house and moved it.With moving, a new foundation, septic and well he spent 11 grand, a lot of money in 65.When it came time to drill awell Dick asked the well driller if he used a dowser.He said only when he got into a dry hole.Dick lets do it now.The well had to go in front of the house.I cut a limb from an apple tree in front of the house.Each of us found the same spot under the apple tree .This was done with two men behind the house while one dowesed in front.A few limbs were cut from the apple tree to make room for the drill rig.The well came in strong at 75 feet and was drilled to 100 feet to make sure.I can find water lines and septic tanks with an apple branch.I never say never about anything.Closed minds learn nothing new.I have more examples on dowsing but one finger typing makes me stop now.

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Dan-IA

02-23-2008 11:16:46

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

When Dad bought the acreage, he was told "there isn't any water on this place, you can't find any."

He bought a 2-inch well driller that would go down about 60 feet from Deep Rock, and we found it ourselves.

Take 2 pieces of #9 wire that are about 30 inches long and bend them in half. Hold the wires out in front of you (one in each hand) with the wires pointing forward, your hands at about chest level and your arms straight out in front of you, shoulder-width apart, the bend in the wire about an inch above your hand. When you cross a water vane the wires will cross on their own. Easy.

We have 3 functioning wells, and at least one more that has been capped. (That one would go dry if you pumped it too fast.)

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Walt Davies

02-23-2008 10:37:21

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

I seen many water witchers in my lifetime and have yet to find one that will pay for a dry well. They all offer a guarantee "If I don't find water I will do it over for free" Big Deal.

Walt

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Lee in Iowa

02-23-2008 10:30:25

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

My Dad always said a forked willow stick worked the best, he found where our well is that way, my brother thought he was crazy until he tried it and felt the pull. After Dad found it he had a neighbor come check it. The neighbor carried a 3/4 galvanized pipe about 5 feet long in one hand, he found the same spot and said there would be good water abou 30 to 40 feet down. The well is 37 feet deep and has been working since 1967. Lee

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Lee in Iowa

02-23-2008 10:29:58

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

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Billy NY

02-23-2008 10:00:13

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

In the summer of 1990, was on a job installing 1000 feet of 8" sewer line, in fine sand type soils, one of the utility location guys had a piece of copper ground cable, wire conductor, same as you use to a ground. It had a short 90 deg bend in it, he used that like a pivot and the long end was out, it worked, I saw it, it moved when you were over the line, had no clue about these things, thought it might have something to do with magnetic fields, he also mentioned it works well with him, but may not work with others. Was interesting, never really researched what the deal was with this, but having seen it done, at least for utility location like water main and I believe electrical like phone, cable etc. He also had some kind of electrical detection device too, but always used that cable just the same.

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noncompos

02-23-2008 08:41:37

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

Water Witching simply will not work for everyone, but it does work for a pretty good number of people.
It doesn't work all that well for me (finding buried lines, not wells) because I know it's not supposed to work, even though I see it does (!)...it works much better for my wife, who's more open-minded on these things, so it's partly the mindset of the individual.
Some who are convinced it doesn't work, or can't work, or shouldn't work, are unfortunately unable to accept that it does work for some, and leave it at that.

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HTR

02-23-2008 09:47:09

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to noncompos, 02-23-2008 08:41:37

It is worth a million dollars to anyone that can actually do it. Don't shoot the messenger, just go get your million dollars.

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John T

02-23-2008 08:25:48

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

Being a skeptic Id never have believed it buttttt tt an old timer friend of mine taught me to divine/witch n Im here to tell ys I took a green tree twig fork n held the ends as he showed me and (me partly blindfolded or never lookin down n not knowing where I was exactly) and overy every single buried water line on my n his farm that stick bent n pulled wayyyyy down hard wooooo oo hooooo oooo.

DO NOT ask me to explain cuz I cant perhaps its how tree roots grow towards water n how sun makes em grow up towards it etc ALLLLL L I KNOW IS IT WORKED to find water lines but I didnt get any pulls elsewhere as I walked??

Take care yall

John T

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36 coupe

02-24-2008 05:04:34

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to John T, 02-23-2008 08:25:48

I can do it,but cant tell if its weak or strong. my uncle could do this and estimate depth.My brother in law cant do it at all.Water dowsing goes way back in time.When I was doing building inspection here a fellow wanted to drill a well close to his foundation.I tried an apple stick on his chosen spot and got no indication.I found a good spot about 20 feet away but he didnt want to dig a long trench.His spot took a 440 fo0t well.That hurt his house building money big time.Water dowsing and magnetism are two things I cant understand but both work.I have never seen an electron but have felt plenty over the years.Dogs can smell cancer in humans and animals.One dog was right 98 % of the time.My Border Collie was constantly bothering a cat out of 5 we have.The cat had a tumor.I asked the vet about this,he thinks that dogs can detect cancer.

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Allan In NE

02-23-2008 07:30:42

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

Yep, what Jim said.

You might be about 50 or 60 years too late. The darned pond is drying up.

Totally against the law to drill an irrigation well in western Nebraska because of over use these days.

Some areas are compelely dry now and the rest of us are on regulated flow meters at each well. We can only pump 64" in any given four-year period.

Flood irrigation is really "frowned" upon too because of it's ineffeciency.

Just a bad deal. :>(

Allan

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Germ

02-23-2008 08:34:56

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Allan In NE, 02-23-2008 07:30:42

I've seen aer1al shots in the midwest with more or less rectangular fields. Never thought about what an aerial view of center pivots would look like.

Now you have me curious. What crop is the purple circle on the middle left side of the picture?

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Allan In NE

02-23-2008 10:24:33

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Germ, 02-23-2008 08:34:56

It's just a bad picture. Notice the whole lower left corner has a redish/purple tint to it.

That old picture has been bouncin' around the 'Net for a long, long time.

Allan

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Roy in georgia

02-23-2008 07:29:56

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

a friend of mine told me to take 2 small rods coat hangers bent so you can hold them put them out straight and practice by walking over a water hose when they cross that is where the water is. Also he said it depends on your magnetism if you can do it or not.

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Chester5731

02-23-2008 07:22:50

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

Try it yourself. My wifes uncle showed me how and it was easy. Take two wire coat hangers,cut and bend them so there is 18-24 inches straight with a 90 degree bend and another 6 inches straight. So it is L shaped. Hold one in each hand loosly so the short part is resting on your little finger. Put them straight in front of you and start walking around. When you get to where there is water they will cross and if you pass it they will swing around to your sides. Hope this helps.

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hillbillyOH

02-23-2008 08:12:56

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Chester5731, 02-23-2008 07:22:50

Chester is exactly right.

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Janicholson

02-23-2008 07:09:56

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 06:59:07

I would get a second opinion from a real geologist. Depending on where you are, the ogallala Aquafer might be under you. There are issues with using this resource, it is an increasingly difficult issue of depletion from using more than can be replenished naturally. I am not discouraging you, but letting you know things are changing. I do not have any faith in witching. Real blind tests of the capability indicate no ability is present in humans. Do not jump on my case, I do not intend to be swayed in this area. JimN

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teddy52food

02-23-2008 10:44:51

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Janicholson, 02-23-2008 07:09:56

Jim Did you know Tony Beuning from Avon? He died around the first of the year. He witched many wells around the area. He would also tell how deep it was to the water. Back in 93 my neighbor had a well drilled & had good water. Tony & I went to visit & Tony took a heavy piece of wire and told him how deep it was. The neighbor was surprised because it was right on.I am a believer. Even Tony couldn't explain it.

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T_Bone

02-23-2008 12:37:39

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to teddy52food, 02-23-2008 10:44:51

Hi Teddy,

Yep my Dad, Grandfather, and several Uncles were in the water well bizz and they all could wicth wells.

In over 60yrs of drilling wells, they drilled one dry hole among them. That was in Co, TX and KS.

Me, I've tried but it just don't work for me as well as my cousins.

T_Bone

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Alex-41JDb

02-23-2008 09:02:28

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Janicholson, 02-23-2008 07:09:56

I didn"t believe it and thought the guys at work were pulling my leg, as I was sent up to mark a well to be dug up and capped for the demolition of a building. I thought they would be behind the machines lauging at me as I walked back and forth but they weren"t and I found the well.. Alex

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Mike (WA)

02-23-2008 07:30:18

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Janicholson, 02-23-2008 07:09:56

I was as skeptical as anyone when a well driller cut me a forked branch and showed me how to hold it, but something sure as heck makes that thing go down. It definitely wasn't me guiding it, because I was holding tension on the sticks to try to keep it up. When I twisted harder in the upward direction, the stick broke.

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earl nikolas

02-23-2008 07:47:30

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Mike (WA), 02-23-2008 07:30:18

Oh I know all the different view points but in 1980 we were told forget the well ,there is no water. My dad had a friend who was a legend in this area . We got him here and he directed the rather outspoken driller 200 feet southeast from the drill rig and the driller said that was the kookiest thing he will ever do in his life. He drilled the hole and cased it and he was the most quiet person during the whole episode eating crow. The well has produced 1000 gallons a minute since then without changing the static water level. The well driller put the witcher on his payroll and produced wells all over the midwest where no water was to be had supposedly.Unfortunately both the driller and witcher are deceased now. I am not in the Ogallala aquifer. I am in the lower James/Missouri aquifer. Thanks for the input . Keep it coming.

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sd pete

02-23-2008 08:37:29

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to earl nikolas, 02-23-2008 07:47:30

Lots of irrigation wells in the Yankton area. But I couldn"t witch water on the top of Oahe lake.

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My oh my

02-23-2008 07:18:06

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Janicholson, 02-23-2008 07:09:56

" Do not jump on my case, I do not intend to be swayed in this area"

You maybe are more impressed with yourself than others are of you.

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Allan In NE

02-23-2008 07:39:40

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to My oh my, 02-23-2008 07:18:06

Look on the other side.

Maybe he's just trying to help you keep from pouring a hundred grand down a rat hole.

Allan

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Janicholson

02-23-2008 07:32:50

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to My oh my, 02-23-2008 07:18:06

OK Just science not ego

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Sure

02-23-2008 07:50:24

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Janicholson, 02-23-2008 07:32:50

"OK Just science not ego "

Science is not an exact science. It is a well thought out opinion.

Scientists say man made global warming is real.
Scientists say man made global warming is not real.

Which one is right?

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DaveS

02-23-2008 10:20:12

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to Sure, 02-23-2008 07:50:24

***Science is not an exact science. It is a well thought out opinion***

Exactly. You can make any scientific experiment come out anyway you want it to if you change the right parameters.

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Bendee

02-23-2008 18:15:47

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Re: water well divining/witching in reply to DaveS, 02-23-2008 10:20:12

That's why Govertments limit the terms of reference.. they know the outcome before the enquiry.
Back to the subject.. will not work without electricity in your body,not all can do it.e.g. My Son. My Daughter can.

All I use is 2'6" of No.8 wire..bend it at 6", 90 degrees and you are away. The sceptics don't believe it works but they can't explain the deep indentation in your thumb by trying to stop the wire from turning. You can find underground electrical cables and water pipe also.

Tell me how you find the depth???

I use this method.. Find the source and as if divining walk away at 90 degrees. count your steps, and stop when the wire turns into the body. steps X length of step = depth..
Try it with your u/g water pipe. marvellous.

Chap over the road decided to have a well in front yard,diviner found the place,rig came in and started drilling...bang.. blackout at that house. Diviner failed to notice no overhead power lines,two days later and 100 yards of cable, it's fixed.

They say; the first place you go blind is in the eyes.

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