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Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about banjo

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Caleb in pa

02-22-2008 09:50:51




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I am interested in playing the banjo. I think i want a 5 string because i like bluegrass, the faster gospel bluegrass in fact. What does a new banjo cost, i understand some cost about 150-300$ is this correct? Is it hard to learn how to play the banjo? How long would i have to practise/play to play dueling banjos from the classic movie "deliverance" ? any info would be appreciated- thanks,, Caleb

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guess who

02-22-2008 13:11:35




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to Caleb in pa, 02-22-2008 09:50:51  
I mess around with a fiddle. I would suggest you go to a few festivals like the one in lions pa. There are quite a few around and the thing I like about lions is the way you can walk from the shade of one big tree to another and under each tree will be a imprumptu group of players playing together. Many of them will be glad to give advice and when you get a instrument and learn a few standard songs you can join in. Also start reading. For instance a fiddle and mandoline both are tuned the same with e a d & g being the notes of the strings. So if you learn a song on one you should be able to play it on the other. That is just one of the things one needs to learn. Good luck

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mixaplix

02-22-2008 13:01:23




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to Caleb in pa, 02-22-2008 09:50:51  
lots of help on the ole computer, punch in banjo lessons free and banjo tabs.You will get many sites to help you out.The more you pratice the better you will get,learn to walk before running though.AND KEEP IT FUN. I learned a lot off the puter learning the guitar,didnt know squat but can play "on the road again and pick out some songs on my own enough to keep me happy and justify my 100$ electric.If you like it and stay with a few proffessional lessons won't hurt either. so good luck a" pickin and a grinnin "

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Goose

02-22-2008 12:52:52




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to Caleb in pa, 02-22-2008 09:50:51  
The only thing I know about a banjo, is one makes a heckuva an equalizer in a barroom brawl!



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Dick L

02-22-2008 11:57:43




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to Caleb in pa, 02-22-2008 09:50:51  
I have a 4 string and a 5 string banjo. I never learned to play them but did learn to play a few songs. I never learned to cord just to play by note. I took one note at a time and memorised the notes and then got the timing after I could go thru the song without a miss Q. My wife could play about anything and was giving accordion lessons out of the house at the time and helped with getting the timing down. I was working nights (3rd shift) and spent a lot of hours at it. I kept the banjo beside the bed and would work at it before I went to sleep and when I would wake up.
Like I said I learned to play songs but never learned to what you would call able to play the banjo.

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higgins

02-22-2008 11:33:46




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to Caleb in pa, 02-22-2008 09:50:51  
The 4-strings were for whackin' away as background music for bands before electrics came along. Basically the early "Wall of Noise" thing.
Pickin' is apparently easier on 5-strings but I don't have a clue why.



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gene bender

02-22-2008 10:47:26




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to Caleb in pa, 02-22-2008 09:50:51  
Before you buy ANY instument get a book and learn how to read music so you know the keys sharps flats so forth you have to read music by note then its easy to play by ear.



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Les

02-28-2008 19:34:03




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to gene bender, 02-22-2008 10:47:26  
No, you don't have to start there. It's not wrong to start there but you can have fun without knowing any of that stuff.



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mj

02-22-2008 10:27:13




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to Animal, 02-22-2008 09:50:51  

rustyj said: (quoted from post at 12:17:10 02/22/08) Caleb:
..... Motto: Ya got to have it to learn it, and really be good to amplify it!
Rustyj


Yeah, I wish I'd known that before I bought a banjo ..... . soaked my fingertips in vinegar , drove everybody in the neighborhood nuts and caused the cat to leave home ..... . sold it and tried a guitar ..... .. traded that for a gunny sack ..... . still can't carry a tune but I love to listen to those that can! :lol:

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rrlund

02-22-2008 10:44:26




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to mj, 02-22-2008 10:27:13  
I had a 4 string. Geez,I might as well have taken the strings off and used it for a drum! I couldn't play that thing for nothin'. My son has it now. He's pretty good on the guitar. I don't know if he'll ever get any use out of that banjo or not.



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rustyj

02-22-2008 10:17:10




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 Re: Nothing to do with tractors but i have questions about b in reply to Caleb in pa, 02-22-2008 09:50:51  
Caleb: Buying a banjo for $150 to #300 will frustrate you more then paying a thousand dollars, more or less, for a really great one! Please access this address: That is my email address, and i can send you much info about lessons, and web-sites, music, all kinds of helpful ideas about 5-string banjo pickin'. We have a Bluegrass club in Yahoo, and we all access it every day. There are many sites where you can find out anything you want to know. That site is: WPBGC@yahoo.com It is the address for the:"Western Pennsylvania Blue Grass Club" As for learning to play "Duelling Banjos"--Don't waste yer time on it! I don't think i have heard it played at all by anybody above the "Rank Amateur" level! As for buying a banjo, try a Gold Tone, 5-string flattop style, bluegrass type. And don't buy their cheapest one-go for a better one. You'll need a battery powered tuner, a set of picks and some spares, a capo for playing in some other key except "G", and a fifth-string capo, too. Also there are lots of books out there with bluegrass songs in them, along with words and suggested keys to play the songs in. Now, there is one word of warning to all this: IF, and i really mean IF; you can hum, whistle keep time to music, whistle, or do some simging along with records or the TV or radio, then go with your plans. BUT!! IF you can't do any of those things--then don't bother spending your money on a banjo, because you must have musical feelings to learn music and play any musical instrument. Some young fellers and girls, when they find they can't learn an instrument, they get their parents to buy them a big new electric guitar and an amplifier, and a microphone, because they think that will cure the problem! Which it won't! It only shows how dumb they were for thinking electricity will make their kid into a stage ready musician! Motto: Ya got to have it to learn it, and really be good to amplify it! Write me! Rustyj

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ScottyHOMEy

02-22-2008 11:36:53




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 AMPLIFY???? in reply to rustyj, 02-22-2008 10:17:10  
The hardest thing for any aspiring bluegrass banjo player to learn is to keep a lid on it when it isn't his turn.

Amplify?



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rustyj

02-22-2008 17:29:37




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 Re: AMPLIFY???? in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 02-22-2008 11:36:53  
Yep, you have a good point there. As for amplify? We don't usually amplify our Bluegrass, except when on stage. My reference to amplify was for the few who think they have to get inside the listener's head, with their amplified sounds! And, an amplifier won't teach them how to play--NOT AT ALL!! Granted, playing on stage is desired if you are an accomplished musician, and for the sound to be heard past the second row, it must be amplified! Everybody must take their turn at advancing to the mike to be heard above the rest, then dropping back when finished with their part, to continue playing with the group! What i said about amplifiers was this: Some folks think playing into a microphone and an amp will make them better players, which it won't! I can't think of anybody i have known in my lifetime who got to be a really accomplished player by playing into a mike with a really big amplifier! It takes hard work, lots of nights practicing upstairs in yer room, or down in the cellar game room! Without an amp! And also, it takes lots of practice playing the music with like-minded friends, learning the give-and take of stage protocol, taking yer turn in the breaks, and learning not to play louder than the others! This, except when its yer turn at the mike. Beginners must learn the scales, the notes, timing, how to tune the instrument without an electronic tuner, the different keys and how they relate to the song being sung. Speaking of electronic tuners--i don't use one! I can tune my banjo "by ear"! Many years ago, i played a gig at a Boy Scout dinner. My group was the entertainment. There were 3 of us-guitar, bass, and banjo. We told jokes, sang some songs, and generally put on a nice show for the Scouts. After the show, a young feller came up to me and asked if he could learn how to play the banjo. I told him-if he could whistle a tune, sing, keep time to music on the radio or wherever, he could learn the banjo, or any musical instrument, but it would take work and practice. He asked me if he'd need an amp. I told him no, just learn how to play the instrument of your choice! An amp won't do it for you! Fast forward 30 years or so. I was at a weekend bluegrass festival, and this red-haired fellow came over and asked for me, said he'd learned 5-string banjo! Told me his name--it was the young Boy Scout from long ago! And now, he's a featured player at the Bluegrass do-ins in this area! He thanked me for my advice long ago! And, i still see him most every summer, at the shows! So, as i said before--an amplifier never made anybody into a musician! It takes long, hard work, with lots of practice. And, you should try to get a good instrument, not one of the cheap kind. A cheap instrument will make a novice get really discouraged at trying to learn how to play it! And, if you buy a really good instrument, that alone will inspire you to learn how to play it--you don't want yer folks to think you're a dummy! And, if ya give it up, later on, when you want a car, they'll think long and hard about spendidng money on one, when that high priced instrument is sitting in a corner, with flowers growing out of it! So, remember--sing, whistle,clap yer hands to music, or play an instrument--you will be able to learn something, but be prepared to spend long hours practicing to get it right! HTH: Rusty Jones, the Banjo player.

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