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principle operation of oil bath

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swifty

02-14-2008 13:27:23




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I am wondering exactly how a oil bath work's?Does {all} of the air pass thru the oil or just some of the incomong air.Does the oil bubble up as the air pass's thru it?




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buickanddeere

02-15-2008 07:46:04




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
Simple, field serviceable in the middle of nowhere with nothing but a stick and some used motor oil. And reasonably efficient compared to nothing. The oil bath does not remove as many or as small of particles as a quality paper filter.



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Larry59

02-14-2008 20:30:52




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
Good question was asked on oil bath. I did not understand it either.. do now.. thanks :)



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James Howell

02-14-2008 18:55:16




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
Tom43 is exactly right in his description of the air bath filter.

Some of us "seniors" my even remember the oil bath air cleaners on both cars and trucks. I had a 50 Chevy 2dr and 47 Chevy truck and both had an oil bath air cleaner.

One of the first things I check on a tractor is the oil bath. To me the condition of the oil in the cup is one indicator of the tractor"s maintenance.

One of the first things I do to a "just bought" tractor after getting it home is change the fluids.

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The picture below shows what was in the oil bath cup of my 43B.

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The oil bath cup was empty on my 46A.

There was not even a "film" of oil in the cup.

Somewhat along the same line, I put an old work sock over the air stack to keep the "mud/dirt dobbers/daubers" out. Also makes a good filter.

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37 chif

02-14-2008 18:48:52




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
Does anyone sea any reason why you can't use used motor oil in the oil bath air cleaner? Not the stuff that has been in a motor for three years, but oil changed every couple months. Stan



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Bob

02-14-2008 21:21:02




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to 37 chif, 02-14-2008 18:48:52  
WHY would anyone want to be THAT cheap???



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37 chif

02-14-2008 21:51:10




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to Bob, 02-14-2008 21:21:02  
If oil is changed as recommended it does get a little pricy over a month. Even the cheap oil is over 2.50 a qt. I wouldn't say a person is cheap just thrifty. Stan



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rvirgil_KS

02-14-2008 17:35:40




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
On left hand column of this page..
Research & Info Articles Maintenance Oil Bath air filters

Also a lot of other good articles.



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Old Allis Mechanic

02-14-2008 17:12:30




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
just a bit of old time info to go along with this post..... .....

back in the day when a WD45 was the tractor to have we were having field days against other makes and the point was to prove how superior the WD45 was.

each tractor fuel tank was filled with X amount of gas and we plowed until tractor ran out of fuel.

The Allis most often had turned more ground but we cheated by filling the oil cup with gasoline and the carb was adjusted accordingly.

when the oil cup went empty you had to adjust the carb or give her a bit of chock because the carb was then too lean.

the red and green never got wise..... ..... .

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Tom43

02-14-2008 14:50:55




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
Contrary to popular belief, none of the air passes through the pool of oil in the bottom of the air cleaner. This concept is often misunderstood(me included when I was younger). Incoming air comes down the inner tube of the air cleaner and then makes a 180 degree turn upward through the wire mesh of the outer large tube of the air cleaner and thence to the carburetor. Larger and heavier dirt particles coming down the inner pipe with the air are too heavy to make the 180 degree turn and go straight down where they are trapped in the oil at the bottom. Lighter particles do make the turn but the suction and turbulence of the air changing direction pulls up an oily mist from the pool of oil which adheres to the mesh screen where they are trapped. As the oily mist gets heavier it turns into droplets which drips back to the pool in the bottom taking the lighter particles with them. Most of my students had a misconception of the process.

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Allan In NE

02-14-2008 15:25:38




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to Tom43, 02-14-2008 14:50:55  
Atta boy Tom!

'Bout time someone got this one right. :>)

Clean air by mis-direction. Further, they are a heck of a lot more efficent than people think.

When coupled with a precleaner, they can't be beat.

Allan



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Animal

02-14-2008 17:16:47




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to Allan In NE, 02-14-2008 15:25:38  
Hey Pard, I have to agree with you there! When I was a kid in Idaho I dry farmed winter wheat with a 1200 case tractor, if those old oil bath filter were as bad as these new toilet paper wraped in screen wire filter companies claim, those old girls would not have ran a day, if you do not think they work put em in the dust for 12 hours and then clean them out, see how much they pick up! right on Allan..

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Bob

02-14-2008 21:19:59




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to Animal, 02-14-2008 17:16:47  
I'm with Allan on this as well. The oil baths did a VERY respectable job.



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ScottyHOMEy

02-14-2008 14:22:40




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
In theory, all air will pass through the oil. As you would imagine, this makes for some pretty serious bubbling resulting from the engine vacuum. In practice, the air drawn through the pool of oil at the bottom comes back up and passes through wire mesh (more like a jumble resembling a copper or stainless-looking potscratcher) which by design is kept coated with oil drawn drawn up into it by the vacuum. The small hole at the bottom of the inner ring in the cup the Donaldson-type filter is to allow the oil to flow back dwon from the mesh to the cup to where the air is introduced, thus increasing the probability of the ideal of all the air passing through a pool of oil as a first step.

This explains the specs for using an oil in the filter of the same viscosity as what you're using in the engine for lube. Too thin, and the vacuum will draw filter oil into the combustion air, draining the filter oil and making for smoky or sooty exhaust and reducing the efficiency of the filter. Too thick, and you're starving the engine somewhat for air, and hindering the bathing of the mesh, reducing its effect as a final filter.

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JerryCPP(WA)

02-14-2008 14:09:25




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
As per our NAPA (WIX) filter rep when NAPA quit Purolator and got thier own brand (some time in the '60's or early '70's.) An "oil bath" filter is about 25% efficient at best. They work best at full throttle when the air is moving fastest. At low air speed, they are next to useless. The air changes direction as it passes over the oil cup, the dirt is thrown into the oil by centrifugal force, and held there. The mesh has a tiny bit of oil, but is mostly to catch the grasshoppers and such. There is no actual bath, but they were state-of-the-art long ago. Paper filters are about 95 to 98% efficient, and work at any volume or speed of air. In extremely dusty conditions we would mount an oil bath filter on top of a stack, and feed that into a FARR paper filter, the best at that time. Hope this helps.

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tractorsam

02-14-2008 14:01:51




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 Re: principle operation of oil bath in reply to swifty, 02-14-2008 13:27:23  
The air draws the oil up onto the steel mesh greatly increasing the surface area of the oil that is exposed to the air. Dirt then sticks to the oil and is carried back down to the bowl when the engine is off. Hope this helps, tractorsam



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