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old

02-10-2008 07:21:07




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A guy hired me to fix his 1941 Farmall B which I have done. I called him on the 4th and he said he would get back with me about bringing it back. He told me he would call Thursday or Friday but didn't so I called him yesterday. Got his machine and left a message and he called me back late and said he would call this morning. Well haven't heard from him yet. He seems like he wants to keep putting me off on this but I have a good bit of time and my money tired up in it and sure could use the money on 2 I have in my shop right now. I could understand if he told me he didn't have the money right now but he doesn't do that he just says well I have to go here or do this or that, which I can also understand but to me if I say I'll call I do I don't keep a person hanging. Just a little rant and this is bugging me.

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Don L C

02-10-2008 16:56:15




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
Next time make a estmate----get money up front....



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1936

02-10-2008 16:07:21




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
From experience in and all around your neck of the woods and expanded area time doesn't hold much meaning and also meeting dead lines. Just a way of life for that is the way the people were brought up. BIL was paying 15 dollars cash per hour and had a difficult time to get people to show up in the Branson area. These were not teachers. So tomorrow usually ends up a couple of weeks on a good job.

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Goose

02-10-2008 13:27:19




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
This isn't about a tractor, but a contractor I know once built a house for a fellow my friend had reason to suspect might be a bit slow in paying.

So, when they built the house, when they laid the brick chimney for the fireplace, they laid a thin glass window pane across the chimney about half way up, then continued upward with the brick chimney.

Sure enough, the fellow made the scheduled payments, but just couldn't get around to making the final one. Then a cold snap came along and the fellow decided to try out his fireplace, and of course it wouldn't draw. He complained to my friend, the contractor. My friend told him he'd have to make the final payment on the house before the fireplace would get fixed.

So--the guy came up with the final payment, and my friend crawled up on the roof and dropped a brick down the chimney. You gotta love American ingenuity!

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JK-NY

02-10-2008 13:09:06




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
I wouldnt get too het up just yet - if it goes a couple weeks with no action thats different but you are talking only a couple days since you let him know.Maybe he is trying to get the money together. I would send /give him a written bill, and I would hold the tractor till you are paid in full.



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Steven f/AZ

02-10-2008 12:56:33




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
I decided a few years back to fix up a tractor for a neighbor... we came to an agreement on labor rate, approximate cost of parts, etc. and he delivered the tractor. Did exactly as I was supposed to and sent him periodic bills so I didn't have my money tied up in it -- when he got the bill for the body work to the hood, grille, and fenders he called and cussed me out. I told him we talked about what he wanted done with tin and where it was to be taken and his beef was with that company, not me.

Long story short, I got my money OK but lost a friend in the process. No more fixing up tractors for friends!

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Matt in WA

02-10-2008 12:43:16




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
Send him a paper billing statement, you might get his attention better, and there's a paper trail of the process. If he's really irritated you, and it's past 30 days, advise him that you will be charging him a "late" fee, or simple interest, on the balance. Always frustrating when you try to do a good job, and people don't reciprocate. Good luck!



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Joe in MN.

02-10-2008 12:31:33




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
Now Old ----- you got to start taking some smart pills ---- and write up a contract to cover what your interests are --- it's Never to late to get smart Old --- hope your pains goes away ....



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Billy NY

02-10-2008 11:27:04




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
In as much as the work you're hired to do is important to an owner/customer, payment arrangements are no less important for someone in your sitution or for any small business owner, Cash is King !

Inspect your expect, and what I mean by that is to create certain terms up front, that work for you, so that it's clear in the end and fully meets your expectations. If that means creating a work order with your company's letterhead on it to be signed prior to starting any job, and also creating necessary legal, uniform business documents to insure there is a formal understanding between both parties, so be it, especially with people you don't really know well, and yes sometimes friends can bite too. This is one of those things to be done up front for good reason.

I hate chasing money as well and don't appreciate a customer playing dumb about the terms of the agreement or trying to strongarm you about something to do with the work, using it as an excuse to not pay, if you do good work, within a agreed period of time, to the customers satisfaction, there is no legitimate reason to not get paid.

Similarly, I currently pay the bills via my small, but long established company, usually just me on the payroll, and for any contracting work it is made abundantly clear that when the work is complete and accepted, full payment is expected, period. Large material orders I give the customer the option to pay direct up front and I will still pick up and deliver, sometimes I'll cover the costs of handling in labor or another line item within the job, it helps sell jobs because of the savings. If I purchase the materials and deliver same, there will be mark up and shipping charges to cover the costs as well as some profit included, but not excessive or undeserved. I make it clear that once the materials are delivered to the site, payment is expected upon delivery. Unknown customers are required to sign a standard subcontract agreement with a defined scope of work inlcuding any special or particular payment arrangements, for most of my regular customers this is not necessary, they pay on time and are trusted, just like they trust me to do good work.

If one was to be critical of what your are doing currently, it would probably be about your business policy with customers. I would think about it and see what you can do to improve future situations with customers, especially if you are bringing in tractors to the shop for work to be done, you may just want to create a work order and specify a policy that customers won't balk at, yet will serve your interest by stating the payment terms, and any other details to be made clear when you are hired and agree to perform repair work. It's that simple, you ring the bell loud and clear up front. Some people are difficult no matter what, and whether they've signed a work order or not, being that it is an informal business you have going there, some people will just outright take advantage of this because of it's appearance, that is why you need to appear to be less informal and instill a real seriousness of your business terms in the minds of customers UP FRONT, regardless of what your place looks like, where it's located or how you conduct it. They certainly are not thinking about what pays your bills when they hire you if they don't take you serious enough and understand what your expectations are at the beginning and agree to it knowing what you expect when you are done.

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Oldcraneguy

02-10-2008 11:06:20




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
Not sure what the numbers are but lets say just for example its a $2500 tractor that youve got $750 in. Next time you get him on the phone just tell him you need your money by the wknd and your sure SOMEBODY will give you $750 for it! Or just print up a nice flyer with his tractor on it saying "First $750 Takes It! and drop it in his mailbox...



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Joe in MN.

02-10-2008 12:21:42




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 Re: What to do in reply to Oldcraneguy, 02-10-2008 11:06:20  
Judge Judy would have fun with you --- if you don't have it in writing -- she will make you look like a Cooked Goose...



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135 Fan

02-10-2008 18:08:58




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 Re: What to do in reply to Joe in MN., 02-10-2008 12:21:42  
A contract does not always have to be in writing to be enforcable. As long as it is mutually agreeable by both sides it is valid. One of the most common contracts is an employment contract. Very few are actually in writing and signed by both parties. Dave



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Joe in MN.

02-11-2008 05:27:59




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 Re: What to do in reply to 135 Fan, 02-10-2008 18:08:58  
Your Right Dave --- Verbal Contracts are Possible --- BUT --- most times are changed when there's a disagreement --- IF your smart --- you'd have it in Writing....



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135 Fan

02-10-2008 10:54:40




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
Do what any business would do. Tell him or leave him a message, if it isn't paid in full in 30 days or payment arrangements acceptable to you are made, it will be considered abandoned and your property to do what you want with, including selling it to recover the monies owed. If it sells for more is a bonus to you. Dave



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MN Rick

02-10-2008 10:47:17




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
I was confused as to if you still had possesion of the tractor in your first post. I'm relieved to see you still have it. Just leave him a voice message saying you are becoming concerned about payment with his lack of communication with you and if you dont see or hear from him by a given time, daily storage fee's will start to accrue and a mechanic's lein will be filed. Mechanic's leins are public record if I'm not mistaken. Be sure and get the storage fee's up high that he feels the pinch every day (personally, I'd go with a minimum of 25.00). He'll come around or you will have another Farmall B.

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ArleninOr

02-10-2008 10:40:56




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
OLd,politely tell him the tractor is done and he owes you x amount of money and explain that you always get cash when the job is done. Had a man buy $3000.00 worth of hay from me and I told him that it would be $3000.00 plus delivery.He paid the guys cash and sent me 3 checks dated 1 month apart those checks are still hanging on my wall above my desk.1001 excuses and even went so far to tell me that he couldn't pay because all of his money was lost due to 9/11. Worthless work of art

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Mathias NY

02-10-2008 10:02:18




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
If you don't mind my asking, do you draw up a contract with the person you are doing the work for? If so you might be able to include a payment clause in the agreement, where the owner would have 30 days from the completion of the project to provide payment. After which point the equipment would become your property. Get them to sign it and it should essentially be a bill of sale if need be.

I have been thinking of working on projects for some people I know, but have had concerns over payment. Something like that might scare some people off, but might save future problems.

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old

02-10-2008 10:13:23




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 Re: What to do in reply to Mathias NY, 02-10-2008 10:02:18  
No I didn't. In the past I have never had any problems and since this guys is a teacher at a local school I figured I could test him, but getting to the point I'm not sure. I know he will not get the tractor till I'm payed in full and its beginning to look like I will tell him cash only since I don't think I could test him to pay me with a good check

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Lanse

02-10-2008 09:28:13




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
Keep on him. He'll pay sooner or later. Or you could just ask him him he has the money or not, just so you'll know, and he will stop playing these games.

Better Yet, people could not do things on credit. Either you have enough money or you dont, if you dont its better not do drag things out, better for both people involved.



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jhill52

02-10-2008 08:54:51




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
I had a guy that owed me money for some work I did last fall. Got the work don't and the trucking company he worked for decided they did't need to pay him 2 wks in a row so he quite. Nice youg guy with a family and he was trying to fix up this wreck of a house. It wasn't a lot of money and I told him to pay me when he could. Called me friday and said come get your money I got my tax refund and your first on my list.

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MN Rick

02-10-2008 08:50:06




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
Been down this road myself a few times. Luckily it's the exception and not the rule. Some people dont understand the concept that YOUR operating capital is tied up in THEIR tractor. Many years ago I had payment on a 4020 overhaul go south on me. Was young, dumb and way too trusting. Let them con me out of the tractor before payment. A week or so later I got a letter in the mail from the bankruptcy courts. I ended up getting $310.00 some 2 years later for that overhaul. Even sadder, I still see that tractor on the same farm from time to time when I go that way. Hard way to learn not to let the tractor go without payment and to file a mechanics lean if it goes too long.

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hay

02-10-2008 07:54:28




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
i just hate it when someone else uses my money interest free until they decide to pay up. a friend in the saddle/harness business has the same problem. can't get folks to come get and pay for what was done on a timely basis.



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hay

02-10-2008 07:54:19




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
i just hate it when someone else uses my money interest free until they decide to pay up. a friend in the saddle/harness business has the same problem. can't get folks to come get and pay for what was done on a timely basis.



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ben brown

02-10-2008 07:51:16




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
nothing worest then a non paying coustmer. matter of fact there worest then no coustmer. i been doing repair work for some 15 years. most all my coustmers now are repeat. all good payes one guy he writing the check before i get my hands clean. if i take on new coustmers i tell him up front payment due when i call you no but about it. if i have had a problem with a guy paying me the next time he calls i give him the number of the local dealers. i had one guy that in the spring i would go get his combine ready for wheat harvest i new he would be cash straped and he alway told me that. but first load of wheat he would drive some 30 miles and bring me a check.

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Kemper

02-10-2008 07:48:00




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Old

I know how you feel,i have a guy that owes me from last fall,always says he will get that check in the mail....



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Dave from MN

02-10-2008 07:36:06




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
Did he seemed a bit surprised about the total he owes you? Some people have a really , really hard time saying they dont have the cash. I have a few people that owe me cash right now. Some dont have it and are honest about, I know they will make it right some how, some way, a couple others have money but seem to think I dont need it as bad as the need Prime Rib last night. I had to be a bit of a jerk last night to drive in the point that I wasnt my money from THEM. I would just put politely tell him as soon as you talk to him, this is the bill, I need the parts reimbursment now, the loabor ASAP, but the tractor is staying here till your all paid up. Give him a reciept for any payment noting balance due, date it, both sign it, and note on it that tractor is being held till paid in full. Good luck!

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old

02-10-2008 07:54:58




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 Re: What to do in reply to Dave from MN, 02-10-2008 07:36:06  
Before I even started the job I told him about what it was going to cost and also told him hauling was extra. I did make sure it came in below what I told him it might cost which cut my lobar fee down some but I do this as a hobby to keep me from having to go to P.T. all the time. I wish I could still work a full time job but my disablitys will not let me so I do this to make a fee extra $$ at times. Thats also why I own so many tractors. At least this way I can work on them when I feel like it and when I start to hurt I can just walk away and sit back and take some pain pills. Can't do that if you work for some one else

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Dave from MN

02-10-2008 07:38:34




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 Re: What to do in reply to Dave from MN, 02-10-2008 07:36:06  
Apology for the typo's, wish we had spellcheck on here, my darned fingers dont seem to work like they used to.



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Dave H (MI)

02-10-2008 07:32:55




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 Re: What to do in reply to old, 02-10-2008 07:21:07  
What to do? Get a job where you punch a clock and the labor department gets on their a$$ if your check is late. When you do work for people on your own you just keep up the subtle pressure until they pay you. You have the tractor for security...keep it until he pays you and just be patient. I have had receivables out as long as four years before I saw my nickel.



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Yes

02-10-2008 07:35:29




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Right on, man. I've been in business for three decades. If you can't handle some receivables get a job.



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HENRY E NC

02-10-2008 09:13:02




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 Re: What to do in reply to Yes, 02-10-2008 07:35:29  
I believe that there are people that just try to get around paying. 4 years ago the was a guy who did good carpentry work and I had him do lots of work around here(NEW ROOF , storage building, flooring in the house etc) and payed him whenever he asked. Also got him many jobs around the area, close to 100.000 worth of work in several years. He approached me about buying an 8N with a scrape blade and asked if I would lend him $2000 to get it. I did. He paid me 500 a month for two month. Six months later I cornered him on a job(I had gotten or him) and asked for the rest. He paid me another 500 and since then I cannot get in touch with him. Changed phone numbers and moved nearby someplace. Now that what I call being taken. Old, put the tractor where he can't get to it till it is all paid for. Henry

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rustyj

02-10-2008 17:13:46




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 Re: What to do in reply to HENRY E NC, 02-10-2008 09:13:02  
I repaired an old Garden tractor for a rich lady, who lives in Sewickley Heights, near Sewickley, Pa. It was a Speedex, not sure how old, but needed some TLC. I did the usual-oil change, lube fittings, new gasoline, new drive belt, new brake pad, general go-over. She called, said she needed it asap, would i deliver it, and if no one home, just leave the bill, and check would be in next days mail! Yeah, sure! A month went by-no check. I asked my friend who did some work for her-he said she'd pay soon.
(Now, she has 4 barns, a bunch of show horses, two horse trailers and new "Fords to tow them, paddocks, and lots of acres! At the end of the second month, with no money forth-coming, i "bearded the lion in her den"! Went to see her. She said i charged too much--take the machine in payment. So, i loaded it up, and took it to a Tractor Show weekend, and sold it for what she owed me, and got paid for delivering it to the new owner!

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