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OT: Mack farm dump truck

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wantadumptruck

02-04-2008 22:49:18




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Hello,

I am looking at getting a larger farm dump truck. To replace the older 2-1/2 ton gas truck.

Looking at a mid to late 70's Mack tandem with 15' bed. Going to haul silage, grain and rock.

Lots of the mack's that I am seeing have only 5 speed trans and the 237 engine.

My question is Is 5 speeds enough? I am used to 5 speed and 2 speed axle for total of 10 speeds.

How good are these motors/trucks??

Thanks,

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rustyj

02-06-2008 20:30:34




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
When i joined our local fire company, they had a 1960 B60 Mack, tandem axle, 5-speed and 4-speed aux. It hauled 2000 gallons of water for fires, and to fill cisterns, etc. It had the 6 cylinder gasoline engine, and was kind of under powered. The powers that were, in the Fire company, were short sighted when the truck was bought, and they didn't want to get a diesel, as nobody near-by sold diesel fuel! So, when i finally got to learn to drive it, i set out to learn how to get it moving on our hilly roads. It took a while, but i finally got good at driving it, even with my artificial left foot! I could even get it to a fire without using the clutch, except on steep hills, and to stop. Some of the drivers wouldn't take it out on a bet, but i liked driving it. Sort of a challenge. Somebody asked me how i could drive in to the fire company parking lot, in my 1960 Renault Dauphine, a real small car, get out, climb into the Mack, and drive it down the road. I told him i never thought about it, just did it! they finally sold it to a well driller. The last time i saw it, it was in bad shape!

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trucker40

02-06-2008 19:54:10




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
For what they are,and as old as they are,they are a good truck.The 5 speed is good.You are driving a different animal than a modern Cummins or Cat.A Mack has a real wide range of power.By the time you get to 5th gear you will be running about 45,and you can go up a good size hill and shift up.Top speed on the one I drove was about 65.It will take a while to get there,but not as long as you think.They are still making something like it now I think.New motors have turbos and more power,but for an old truck a Mack is good.I like the 5 speed best,but I only drove one of them and a triplex.The triplex didnt drive too good that I drove,its probly a good truck though.On the bad side the parts are expensive.You may not need a lot of parts too.They are tough.Its hard to find people that know how to work on them sometimes.

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trucker40

02-06-2008 19:54:10




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
For what they are,and as old as they are,they are a good truck.The 5 speed is good.You are driving a different animal than a modern Cummins or Cat.A Mack has a real wide range of power.By the time you get to 5th gear you will be running about 45,and you can go up a good size hill and shift up.Top speed on the one I drove was about 65.It will take a while to get there,but not as long as you think.They are still making something like it now I think.New motors have turbos and more power,but for an old truck a Mack is good.I like the 5 speed best,but I only drove one of them and a triplex.The triplex didnt drive too good that I drove,its probly a good truck though.On the bad side the parts are expensive.You may not need a lot of parts too.They are tough.Its hard to find people that know how to work on them sometimes.

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trucker40

02-06-2008 19:54:05




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
For what they are,and as old as they are,they are a good truck.The 5 speed is good.You are driving a different animal than a modern Cummins or Cat.A Mack has a real wide range of power.By the time you get to 5th gear you will be running about 45,and you can go up a good size hill and shift up.Top speed on the one I drove was about 65.It will take a while to get there,but not as long as you think.They are still making something like it now I think.New motors have turbos and more power,but for an old truck a Mack is good.I like the 5 speed best,but I only drove one of them and a triplex.The triplex didnt drive too good that I drove,its probly a good truck though.On the bad side the parts are expensive.You may not need a lot of parts too.They are tough.Its hard to find people that know how to work on them sometimes.

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ex farmall guy

02-05-2008 15:25:08




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
WE HAD MIXER TRUCKS WITH THE 237 AND 5 SPEED .
THEY WILL HAUL 10 YD LOADS WITH NO TROUBLE AND WILL OUTLAST ANY TRUCK ON THE MARKET. POWER WAS NEVER A PROBLEM. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A TOUGHER TRUCK BUILLT.



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JTinNJ

02-05-2008 14:16:48




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
If you are not going to put a lot of miles on it a Mack will do just fine.I've driven a few Macks over the years and have come to this conclustion.There are only two types of people that like Macks.Those that don't have to drive them,and,those that just don't know any better.



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J.C.in AZ.

02-05-2008 11:40:17




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
You are describing a Maxidyne Mack and believe me the Engine and Transmission are a matched unit and no more gears are needed. The Maxidyne replaced the Thermodyne and the Duplex and Tri Plex Mack TransMission.Many thousands of these Maxidyne's were produced and used for every sort of Transportation of Commodities imagined.If you get this one find an old time Mack Operator to show you the proper way to run one of these Trucks. Total opposite from a Cummins/Cat ahead of a Fuller or Spicer Transmission.

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Leland

02-05-2008 11:16:15




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
years ago I remember a batch plant that had old diamond Reos with 250 ci contanintal gassers with 5x4's and those itty bitty motors would move 10 yards of concrete like it was nothing .



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john in la

02-05-2008 10:36:45




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
Your first problem is you are trying to put the Mack motor in a class with Cummings or Cat. They are not the same. The Mack is a high-torque rise engine. It will pull in a much broarder RPM band. This allows for the use of a 5 speed trans where others need 9+ gears.

Now if you are looking for a road truck Mack is not the best choice. But if you are looking for something that will take a beating and still keep on pulling Mack may be the truck for you. They are made to go off the concrete and stand up to the work. While they will not preform like a true off road truck (Cat) they are the best choice for off and on road use.

If it were me I would be looking for one with a 237 and 6 speed. The 6 speed is better than the 5 speed when it comes to off road.

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Billy NY

02-05-2008 09:42:15




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
Going from a medium class single axle to a heavier class tandem axle is definitely an improvement, more power and better braking, as well increased payloads, and sometimes better traction and front end flotation.

One thing I am curious is how you really make use of a 5+2 as a 10 speed, most times when trying to split shift all the gears, it can be really tricky, lot of time you are caught in between and it slams in or you miss, real hard when moving the shift lever too, havinf to use the clutch to shift the rear at the same time, they go so much smoother using the accelerator pedal when the trans is left in gear. I have driven a few that you could split shift, 1 was a high geared 4 spd that would go from 3rd high to 4th low at about 55 or so, then climb to 65, pull up on the button, in 4th low, the truck would do 85 mph or better, was a brand new '86 IH S-1600, the sister to it had a 5 speed and you could not split shift the upper gears, they were too low, this truck would barely do 65 mph. Most I have driven it is a waste of time to fool with that red button too much and use it to split all the gears, even though there is a lable on the sun visor that says you can do it, still sounds like it is going to break something or accelerate wear to the pinion that changes gears.

The truck below is the 2 stick Mack, might be the same motor, 5 spd or 6 spd Mack trans, the main trans is 5 and you have auxillary transmission with 2 ranges and reverse if I'm remembering correctly. Personally I've never really liked the transmission arrangement in these, especially a dump truck used for construction applications, carrying max. payloads and dealing with hills etc., but I can honestly state that all the R, RD, and DM models I've driven with them were certainly reliable and do the job, I'd just rather have an 8 speed low hole, 9, 10 or 12 speed mack, anything with some closer ratio'd gears, I drove an R model with 48 foot trailer, hauling lumber, long wheel base, 300+ mack and a 9spd, nice truck with plenty of power and geared right. Those 5 speeds, (thought there was a 6 or are they the same 2 stick trans. just don't count granny low) are just a tad spread out, lots of black smoke when you upshift and that diesel starts to lug, hills can be tough, because once you drop a gear, you can play the back and forth game, up shift, lugs again, pyrometer showing temps getting too hot in the turbo, but that aside, they are tough dependable trucks, don't let my preference for more gears influence you. Be thankful not to have to drive a B-model Mack with a 5+4 20 speed trans and manual steering off road.

Many farmers use older trucks like the older macks around here, this one belongs to my neighbor, it was a concrete mixer truck in local batch plant fleet, you know how hammered these can get, I believe he got the chassis, and had the body put on it. Huge capacity, 30 cubic yards struck, 35 cubic yards heaped. It held 14 large square bales, 200 small squares, not sure what the weights are for silage, they hire him out for that and he does all the grain from the combine into it, not sure what the bushel count is, but what a useful truck to have compared to say a single axle. I drove it once last year, used to drive lots of dumps with the same trans, the placard for the shift patterns was missing, boy that makes it tough when going from memory, could not find high range, good thing the fields were close by !

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wantadumptruck

02-05-2008 13:03:11




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to Billy NY, 02-05-2008 09:42:15  
Usually I don't split the gears.

There is a tough hill that you have to stop and turn left and head right up. I have found you can start out in low 3 pull the button up and be in high third half way up and never tuch the clutch. I use the two speed like a power shift. I don't use the clutch unless split shifting Just let off the gas when you wan't it to shift.



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Bob M

02-05-2008 08:13:39




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
Depending on the combination of the 5 speed’s low gear ratio and the rear end ratio there may be times when you wish for creeper gear below 1st gear, as MSM suggests below. Also with the 237 engine you may find fully-loaded acceleration to be bit leisurely. However for a farm dump that probably that’s not likely to be an issue.

We’ve operated a pair Macks on the farm for many years. One is a 70’s era “R” model tri-axle with a 20 ft dump box. It’s got a Mack 350 and 15 speed transmission (10 speed + deep reduction). As such there's a gear for every situation. Also on the road it steps out pretty even fully loaded.

The other is a CH series road tractor with the Mack 350 + 10 speed. Loaded and in the field occasionally there’s a situation where a deep reduction would be handy. However it’s not a show-stopper – the truck does the job OK without it.

Are they good trucks? Definitely! Old Macks may not the fastest or best-looking trucks on the road. But my experience is they are bullet-proof and always get the job done…

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flying belgian

02-05-2008 07:55:42




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
I had a 1976 Mack RD. It had the 5 speed. With the torque of those engines that is plenty of gears. If that engine is turning over at all, it is pulling. You cannot tear up that drive train no matter how you drive it. There looks have a lot to be desired but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



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MSM

02-05-2008 07:10:57




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
If it is all road running you are going to do it will be OK. It will take some getting used to,til you learn how to shift it. But if you are going to be using it off road alot,the straight 5 speed probably won't work for you.1st gear will be too fast if you are thinking about chopping into it,and if hauling grain out of the field,it will take alot of clutch slipping to get it going in soft ground.
If the truck is in good shape and can be bought right,you could always add the air shifted auxillary that bolts to the back of the trans,or swap the trans out,there are alot of those vintage trucks in salvage yards and a different trans should not be too hard to find.

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M Nut

02-05-2008 05:37:13




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
Others will know better on the Macks I'm sure, but like you mention, 5 gears seems a little shaky. I have an International with a Cummins in it and a 10 speed, and I use all the gears to get her rolling with a load of gravel, and then top speed is about 45, maybe 50 in 10th, tight to the floor.



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ericlb

02-05-2008 03:40:49




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 Re: OT: Mack farm dump truck in reply to wantadumptruck, 02-04-2008 22:49:18  
macks, with the 5 speed and 237 for what you are doing will be ok, they dont work quite like the other engines, in that they have a very broad powerband with high touque across the whole band, i ran one of those many a mile years ago and we hauled loads weighing 50,000 lbs over a mountain pass that was almost 7,000 in elevation they were a little slow doing it, but they never failed to get the job done, as for quality , macks are among the toughest trucks out there they are designed for industrial use ie dump trucks garbage trucks ect,you really have to work to tear one up, they aint as flashy as what i drive now, but there isnt anything wrong with them either

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