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3-cyl. turbo diesel or 4-cyl.nat. asp.diesel?

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Kent in NB

01-27-2008 06:02:55




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Looking at changing to a new tractor. Replacing a Ford 4610(wore out) with a Case IH (12x12 trans.) Which is more efficient, the 52 p.t.o. hp. turbo diesel or the 62 p.t.o. hp. naturally aspirated diesel? Price difference is about $1500.00 for the bigger tractor. The selling point for me is the 12x12 over the old 8x2. Tractor will for barn scraping/blading, raking and tedding. No hauling work as my wagons and loads have gotten too big. Thanks, Kent in NB.

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Texasmark

01-27-2008 16:53:39




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 Try Branson in reply to Kent in NB, 01-27-2008 06:02:55  
I figured I'd get to say this sooner or later.

I wanted a mid size (to me) tractor to replace some aging antiques and a couple of other things

I shopped all the favorite colors (except Kabota....just always thought they were ugly...personal preference)and none had what I wanted. Prices were pretty close depending on the whistles and bells and green didn't have the biggest array of those; surprised me.

I wanted a cab (if I was going to spring for a NEW tractor), both for respiratory protection and at 66 I'm just tired of being hot and cold at the wrong times.

I wanted 4wd, my first 4wd vehicle in my entire life, as I never before felt I needed one. After the monsoon winter/spring we had last year, I'm tired of getting stuck in the feed lot.

I figured if I got a 4wd it would have a large, HD, front end and tires under it and that would be where I'd want my loader; not on my 2wd JD 4010 with an open cockpit.

I started looking in April and had all but given up when one day in September, I was rubbernecking and saw this lineup of beautiful red tractors that I had never seen nor heard of before.

I pulled in and was introduced to Branson Tractors. I was duly impressed with all aspects of it, especially the "4 cylinder naturally aspired CUMMINS direct injected diesel". Most of the other brands I looked at earlier were 3 cyl. turbo's and I wanted more smoothness and didn't want the turbo....had em before and don't like them. I ran Cummins in OTR trucks and I knew their reputation.

Anyhow this is a 57 pto hp tractor and you just have to drive one to believe it. Model is 6530 (65 engine hp) with loader, hay fork, and their brand 6' mower. I'm pushing 80 hours on it and I have only fueled it up TWICE. They advertise .043 gal/hp/hr and I believe every bit of it.....and tug, that sucker just says give it to me.

I have a 11' 3 pt JD chisel with about 15 or so 10" sweeps and 3 rows of cultivator fingers and I have been out cultivating my pastures for spring planting in B2 to B3 (out of a C4 shift range) and little sucker just blows and goes. I am duly impressed. I'm so excited.

I personally checked and they have dealers nationwide and have been around for awhile.

You owe it to yourself to check them out. You may be pleasantly surprised, as I was, especially when you are talking about plunking down $30K plus accessories on a tractor.

My 2c

Mark

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Ron in OH

01-27-2008 08:17:47




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 Re: 3-cyl. turbo diesel or 4-cyl.nat. asp.diesel? in reply to Kent in NB, 01-27-2008 06:02:55  
I just took delivery of CaseIH JX1080U with the 12x12 trany. We bought it for loader work handling steel. The shuttle works great. I replaced a 5610. If you are doing loader work the shuttle is a must have on a new tractor. If tractor weight is a need you will probably be better with the 62 hp unit.



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buickanddeere

01-27-2008 07:09:00




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 Re: 3-cyl. turbo diesel or 4-cyl.nat. asp.diesel? in reply to Kent in NB, 01-27-2008 06:02:55  
Those considerations don't matter.The turbo engine is built for long life as is the four cylinder. Seat design, operator platform, transmission ,hydraulics, brakes, electrical capacity, tire size/brand do matter.



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Janicholson

01-27-2008 06:18:59




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 Re: 3-cyl. turbo diesel or 4-cyl.nat. asp.diesel? in reply to Kent in NB, 01-27-2008 06:02:55  
I feel that the less stress applied to a reciprocating mechanism the longer it will last. A 3 cylinder W/turbo is far from a bad choice, but it will be more highly loaded (and worked farther into that range by you) than the naturally aspirated engine. If the reduced complexity, added power, and fewer maintenance specifics, and possibly longer life, do not add up to the price difference, then go with the small tractor. Efficiency (raw thermal/mechanical effectiveness per unit fuel) probably favors the 3 cylinder by a few %. But it is difficult (impossible) to get those lab statistics as applied to those tractors.
I hope I have not made the decision harder.
JimN

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jdemaris

01-27-2008 11:10:17




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 Re: 3-cyl. turbo diesel or 4-cyl.nat. asp.diesel? in reply to Janicholson, 01-27-2008 06:18:59  
3s and 5s usually don't have the engine-balance issues that 4s have. No big deal since most companies that use 4s work around the balance issue, one way or the other.
Deere uses either twin balancing shafts (2020, 2030s, 450s, etc.) or balancing gears in boxes (3020s, 500s) in their four-cylinder engines. Usually a well designed three-cylinder is simpler than a four. To me, simpler is better if and when possible.

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TomTex

01-27-2008 06:09:49




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 Re: 3-cyl. turbo diesel or 4-cyl.nat. asp.diesel? in reply to Kent in NB, 01-27-2008 06:02:55  
I would get the heavier 62 HP 4 cyl natural aspiration over lighter 3 cyl turbo 52 HP. The heaver, larger engine without turbo will last forever, as it is under far less strain than a smaller turbo engine. Extra 1500 would be well spent. Tom



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Ken Macfarlane

01-27-2008 08:19:31




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 Re: 3-cyl. turbo diesel or 4-cyl.nat. asp.diesel? in reply to TomTex, 01-27-2008 06:09:49  
The turbo engine should squeeze about 5% more fuel economy if they are both direct injection. The 4 cyl might last a bit longer if they are worked hard.

I prefer operating a turbo diesel because they seem to have a bit more torque rise so you don't get that falling on your face when you make a mistake of a gear off going up a hill.

Negatives, some joker before you may have run it more turned up than you can achieve on a nat asp diesel and put some wear on her.

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