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Allan In NE

01-13-2008 03:35:32

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Ol' heifer sure uses a lot of fuel.

Can't figure out why neither. Maybe I should have taped the rain cap down on the M?

Allan

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Bill46

01-14-2008 05:36:34

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Allan...hey Dude...what do ya want?
75 MPH with a gooseneck and an M ?
Come on man...ya play, ya gotta pay.
The old Ram would drop too if I ran it 75 MPH with a trailer... but your braver than I am.
Nice tractor man...nice tractor.

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Allan In NE

01-14-2008 06:51:59

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Bill46, 01-14-2008 05:36:34

Well,

I was in a bit of a hurry because I was getting way behind on my "real job" chores.

130 mile trip and I had the tractor unloaded and sitting in the yard in two hours and 15 minutes.

Allan

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Floyd A tn

01-13-2008 14:02:02

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Jacksonburg, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Don't get caught in tennessee with red fuel in your truck. They will take your truck with what ever is attached to it, and you'll have to go to their sell to get it back.. Then the fines could be as high as 10,000.00 dollars.

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Triplerange

01-13-2008 13:42:31

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Maybe you got the wheel bearings on the trailer too tight. LOL ;-)

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PAGlenn

01-13-2008 13:17:06

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

9 miles to the gallon. I should probably make a nik-nac out of it.

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Aaron Ford

01-13-2008 13:15:40

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

I borrowed a friends truck to do a tow job. It was a 2002 Dodge 2500 TD. He had the wick turned way up with a big turbo, big injectors, power programmer, exhaust, etc... He had fuel pressure gauges, pyrometer, boost gauge, tranny temp gauge, oil temp gauge. Darned thing looked like a jet cockpit. Anyhow, we towed a 9000lb load and got 14mpg. I was severely impressed. Dropped the load, turned around and got 14mpg on the way back empty.... It took exactly the same amount of fuel on the return trip, within the gallon. Don't think I ever used more than the first 1/10th of the throttle... It was quite a learning curve since my last experience with a diesel was a 86 Chevrolet breadtruck...

Glad you made it safe. Lots of folks were following this one.

Aaron

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730virgil

01-13-2008 10:48:09

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

i know a man that put some of the red farm diesel
in semi as he didn't have much in tank. he put in enough to get to town about 5 miles away. filled up and took corn to delivery point. well il dot guys were checking everybody for eveything and he still had enough red stuff left to give rest of tank some color. he told them his story and was told doesn't matter you should have found some 5 gallons cans filled them in town dumped in semi then went to town to fill up.

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Walt Davies

01-13-2008 10:41:36

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

12.4 in a full size pickup with a heavy load at 75 MPH what are you complaining about I get 15 in my Little Ranger in 5th gear with nothing in it at 55.
Walt

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Rauville

01-13-2008 10:30:42

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

I would be happy to get that kind of milage with a load behind my O8'.

BTW: I see that you are headed South towards Hermosa, right?

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gene bender

01-13-2008 10:10:29

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Hey ALLAN if you want the horse to pull ya gots to feed him.

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01-13-2008 09:26:25

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Allan,
Did you double check the actual mileage? we had a van a few years ago that had that MPG gauge, it was always short of actual milage by at least 1.5 mpg. I have been told that MPG goes in the dump over 2000rpm on the 7.3, looks like you were about 21-2200rpm
Jim

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Bob Kerr

01-13-2008 08:36:41

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Maybe you shoulda put the truck on the trailer and pull it with the M! Fill the tool box full of sandwiches, fill the thermos and tell the wife "I"ll be home in a couple days". Hehehehe! I would like to take a road trip someday with the H. Build a camper "shed" on the old hay wagon and disappear for a month or two.

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Walt Davies

01-13-2008 10:49:12

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Bob Kerr, 01-13-2008 08:36:41

Bob I want to go back to Nebraska and visit the kids on my Case LA with my trailer made into a house trailer and a place for my dog to ride. I figure it would take a week or two at 4 to 5 MPH (maybe I should get the 4th gear working first). I think it would be great fun to travel slow like my ancestors did coming out here in 1843. One bad problem is the LA burns 4 to 5 gallons an hour. Yea! and Allen is complaining HUH!!! Maybe i can get bunch of Old tractor guys to go along for the ride or they could just catchup and run along for awhile. Sure would be a great ride.
Walt

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Keith-OR

01-13-2008 08:15:46

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Durn Allan, I'd be getting rid of the truck....as I see "home land security" eye ball watching you from that fake radio faceplate..:>)
Might even be taking pictures of that ugly mug or loose nut behind the wheel..:>)..:>)

Glad to see ya gotter done..

Keith & Shawn(Special Olympic Champion)

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No tools

01-13-2008 08:07:33

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

12.4 Not bad at 74 mile per hour.

We have got 13.But them guys that say O never no that trailers back there.WELL it IS.

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Allan In NE

01-13-2008 08:15:16

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to No tools, 01-13-2008 08:07:33

Oh yeah, for sure.

Don't think the tractor weighs but 3 ton, however this trailer just plain tugs hard.

Borrowed the neighbor's last summer and it really pulled easy compared to mine.

Maybe that's why it got traded off when only a year old and was such a cheap price? Dunno.

Allan

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sd pete

01-13-2008 07:39:04

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

stick some duct tape over that mpg readout.

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Allan In NE

01-13-2008 07:43:32

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to sd pete, 01-13-2008 07:39:04

LOL!

Yeah, I usually have it turned off (out of sight, out of mind).

But, I was counting miles and the darned odometer won't come up without that silly "fuel suck rate" coming up too. :>)

Allan

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LBSMJS

01-13-2008 07:31:15

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

I have a late 07 Chev. that not getting any better than that for mileage.Been checked at dealer & they say everything is OK.My 01 Ford did better then that.

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old popper

01-13-2008 06:56:34

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

I see part of the problem. It is that "slushamatic transmission." Just a personal preference, but I still like a clutch pedal in my pickup. I can still move my left foot and right hand independantly. At least you got your tractor home, even if the ragheads got their share of your $$$$.

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TWJanak

01-13-2008 06:47:06

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Anything other than Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel will harm the Diesel Particulate Filter. I for sure wouldn't try the farm diesel.

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Armand Tatro

01-13-2008 06:36:17

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Is that a reflection of your camera in your dash? Armand

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the Unforgiven

01-13-2008 06:35:04

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Seventy-four miles per hour, come on man, aren't you the guy telling us how stupid people are for hauling tractors around to shows because it is so dangerous? Or does all that "experience" exempt you from an accident?

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It Ain't So, or Is It ???

01-14-2008 22:15:39

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to the Unforgiven, 01-13-2008 06:35:04

Don't know bout any name calling, but he did make some remarks about this accident that some thought were uncalled for.

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Allan In NE

01-13-2008 07:25:46

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to the Unforgiven, 01-13-2008 06:35:04

Naw,

Never, ever called anyone "stupid". Not in my nature and it just didn't happen.

Yes, I'm of the opinion that tractors out on the road are dangerous.

No, I'm not immune to an accident any more than anyone else.

Tractor was two states away. Didn't have a choice; either drive it or I had to haul it. Since it is the middle of winter, I opted to haul the darned old thing.

Allan

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Armand Tatro

01-13-2008 06:32:18

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Would like to see pictures of tractor on trailor. Did it take a whole ball of string to tie it down? It is unblievable how many loads of trees is secured with twine and it stays put. Armand

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John M

01-13-2008 06:29:12

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Thats why the dealer has the fuel milage rating on the sticker. Although not accurate it gives you some idea of what milage the vehicle will get.My 01 doesnt get much better, but Im not complaining, it does what it suppose to do, and I knew right up front it wasnt going to get 50 mpg. Maybe you should go look at a Chevrolet, I am.

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Mark - IN.

01-13-2008 06:20:49

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Well, I don't mean to start something, but pulling a tractor behind a pickup, and from the photo coupled with homeland security monitoring websites and sharing information with locals...expect a ticket in the mail there Mario "lead foot" Andretti.

So, either you made it home safely with the new tractor, or your cellphone's a video/picture cellphone and you blew right past your place and are still going. But with that kind of few economy, not for much longer...Mario.

HaHaHaHa. Enjoy.

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Allan In NE

01-13-2008 06:26:29

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Mark - IN., 01-13-2008 06:20:49

Yeah,

I get lots of junk mail. :>)

Allan

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John A.

01-13-2008 06:09:03

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Alan, Mornin! Glad to see that you made it home in one piece, with no real problems other than that 6.4s crappy mileage. Down here in Cen-Texas this country has become lousy with these DSLs. 12 to 14 mpg is the norm. Folks who traded of 7.3 and 6.0 are not happy at all. Unless they live with a trailer on the back of their trucks, then the mileage is about the same. I sure you have visited with your Dealer about this, Have they had any suggestions to help the problem.
I would not put Red DSL in you new truck there is no telling what might happen. On the newer GM DSLs there are sensors in the fuel tank/system. IF Red DSL is detected the engine switches to Idle mode and will not run any faster than that, just enough to cripple into the dealer, or up onto a wrecker, then the tank has to be pumped out, and reprimed with Road-DSL, recalibrated to get the engine going again. That is what happens in that senerio. I would not want to be the guy who does that to a new Ford. It might run fine, or it might do like the GMs. Just a thought! Have you checked with the After-market people to see if there is something there to help improve milesge, like... Bullydog, or Banks.
Look forward to pics and stories about your M.
Later,
John A.

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John B. NE Ind.

01-14-2008 10:37:15

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to John A., 01-13-2008 06:09:03

John, just talked to the service rep at Indians largest Chevy dealer and he told me he's never heard of any red fuel sensor in the tank. Just to double check I called another dealer and was told by them they never heard of any sensor of that type either. I do know that a couple of years ago, a friend was among several who got random checked for farm fuel by the DOT. at the Farm Show here in Ft. Wayne. He still had some residue from using it when he was busy shelling corn. Just one of those dumb things when he didn't have time to run to town for fuel. Cost him $2000. for that tank of fuel not counting the cost of fuel.

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MN Scott

01-13-2008 07:05:06

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to John A., 01-13-2008 06:09:03

BS! there is no sensor that detects dyed fuel in new GM's or and truck. The only issues with running dyed fuel is the IRS and tax evasion and the hefty fines if caught and higher sulfer levels that will plug your DPF! Allan you should be carefull about running non ULSD "Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel" in your new truck. The higher sulfer content in non ULSD will plug your DPF "diesel particulate filter" over time. Those suckers cost a couple grand and would not be covered by warranty if plugged by sulfer. BTW my 08 Duramax/Allison has been averaging 20MPG empty on winter fuel and pulling a load like you did would average 16MPG. Only thing is my Duramax does not like to cruise at 75 MPH. Best milage is about 65MPH when I hit 70 MPH milage drops about 5MPG.

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John A.

01-13-2008 09:34:01

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to MN Scott, 01-13-2008 07:05:06

Scott, Before you take Hoof & Mouth Disease And you speak on a subject you know nothing about. I got my info from a local rancher who does run Red Dsl in his 2000 GM 4x4 pickup 97K miles all on red fuel. He had it in the local GM shop where he trades , for pump work, the guys there informed him that in the new Pickups he would not be able to do this.
Scott, YOU be brave and run Red Dsl in your truck and let us know what happens! The electonics othe truck will cause it to run a standby or idle mode, till the Red higher Sulfur content fuel is removed.
Not to mention the Red dye residue left in the fuel system that will still give a swab test a positive reading for a long time after the fuel is removed. That Dye will stain the iside of the system, tank, lines, pump, etc. Dealership told my neighbor for his truck to pass a test the entire fuel system would have to be replaced, everything!
Later,
John A.

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jokers

01-14-2008 08:20:38

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to John A., 01-13-2008 09:34:01

John A.

I can`t agree with you on the dyed fuel theory either, there would have to be a photo sensor or something similar in the tank to sense the red fuel if what a local fuels supplier told me is true, ULSD and red dyed fuel are the same fuel with the exception of the dye. The fuel suppliers aren`t building new tank farms to house ULSD supplies.

I don`t run the dyed fuel in my truck because I won`t risk the fine but I know many who do with no problems.

BTW, my 04.5 Ram 3500 with the Cummins 600 and 48RE auto is finally getting respectable fuel mileage for a diesel. It took over 60k on the odometer and for my stainless muffler to rust off on both ends???? but I`m finally averaging right about 21mpg in typical stop and go country road driving if I don`t let the tach get above 1800 rpm. That`ll get me down the road at ~65mph.

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MN Scott

01-13-2008 10:21:29

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to John A., 01-13-2008 09:34:01

I would not be stupid and run dyed fuel in any of my on road diesels. The IRS is in town at least once per week dipping tanks. As for a red dye sensor one does not exist in a pickup truck. Anyone telling you this is full of bull. GM does not care if you run dyed fuel. Dye does not effect the motor in any way. IRS is the only one that cares if you run red fuel because of the tax issue. Red dyed fuel or farm fuel still can be high sulfer content. The sulfer is what causes the limp mode. The truck can sense to DPF plugging to soon from the sulfer and shuts it down to prevent damage. If your fuel suppler has red dyed ULSD you can run it in the 07+ trucks with no problem just as long as the IRS/DOT doesn't catch you!

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CRUSADER

01-13-2008 08:28:05

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to MN Scott, 01-13-2008 07:05:06

Nice looking ride. In Oct 06 I bought an 07 GMC ext cab with the Duramax/Allison. Not getting the 20 mpg empty and haven't got to pull a trailer with it yet. Wanted the regular cab, but Momma-San didn't like the idea of not having the elec windows, power seat and no room behind the seat, and a lot of other things about what I wanted so I did the next best thing and bought something that she would gripe too much about. This is my "retirement truck" and hope to do a little hauling, towing and traveling with it once I get out of the Air Force in Oct 09. Looking forward/dreaming of doing some restorations of farm tractors/equipment and old pickups. Hopefully if I can break even (or close to it) then I feel that it will be a worthwhile hobby...and the therapy will be a bonus.

Take care and good Luck,
Jim

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MN Scott

01-13-2008 10:29:30

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to CRUSADER, 01-13-2008 08:28:05

Yea, that 20 mpg is cruising unloaded at 60MPH with no around town driving figured in, same with the towing milage. When I drive in town stop and go ect, it cuts the towing MPG down to 12 and the unloaded down to 17.

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John B. NE Ind.

01-14-2008 10:14:21

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to MN Scott, 01-13-2008 10:29:30

MN Scott, My 04 Duramax gets 20 mpg. day in day out around town [although it takes about 10 miles to get there]. I had the computer reprogramed at 50,000 miles and it went from the high 16's to 20. No chips or programes just re-programed. Checked with the dealer and this change doesn't affect the warrenty. BTW, and I only did this once, the truck now doesn't cut out at 95 mph. I've been told on GM's you can bypass this anyway by putting on your 4-way flashers. I'm going to visit relatives just north of New Orleans next week. I'm planning on pulling a empty trailer down and bringing back a hy-crop JD back. I'll be back at the end of the month and will give everyone a up date on the milage. The round trip will be around 2200 miles.
For Allen in NE, my brother-in-law recently bought a 08 double-cab 350 ford and his milage is similar to yours. He says its way more snappy than his 01 was.

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RustyFarmall

01-13-2008 05:51:13

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Might be time for a few modifications. My 8.1 gasser does almost that good.

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Vern-MI

01-13-2008 07:33:17

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-13-2008 05:51:13

My 40 foot Cruisers Yachts with twin 8.1 liter gas and the Mercruiser V-Drives gets about 3/4 nautical mile per gallon of gas. It's tied at the dock most of the time.

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ncdiesel48

01-13-2008 05:02:30

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Allen You can thank the government for the emissions crap that has been put on your truck. All the new diesels aren't getting squat for mileage.

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Allan In NE

01-13-2008 05:06:49

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to ncdiesel48, 01-13-2008 05:02:30

I've noticed that the mileage has dropped to 12.5 with winter fuel from the 14.5 I get in the summer.

Really, really tempted to try a tankful of #2 farm fuel and see what happens.

Probably won't help tho. :>(

Allan

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1206SWMO

01-13-2008 07:42:48

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 05:06:49

A friend got dipped by the DOT and was caught running farm diesel in his Ford Powerstoke..By the time they got done with him the fine was $2200.00. Ouch!!!

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John M

01-13-2008 06:55:53

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 05:06:49

Thats normal. Anybody near you selling B20?

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Jerry Cent Mi.

01-13-2008 04:40:50

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

If its a Turbo Diesal it will make more power for the hills at 75 but if you want economy you keep it around 55-60. Jerry

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Allan In NE

01-13-2008 04:45:48

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Jerry Cent Mi., 01-13-2008 04:40:50

Yes Sir, I know.

Was in a heck of a hurry yesterday, so I just put the cruise on 74 and let 'er do her thing.

Sure like that tranny brake tho. Kind of a nice tow feature.

Allan

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IaGary

01-13-2008 03:46:06

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

So you made it back.

Did the pictures tell the story on that M?

Gary

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Allan In NE

01-13-2008 03:55:07

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to IaGary, 01-13-2008 03:46:06

Oh,

I'm sure it's just fine. Really haven't had time to look at it yet.

Running' a little late and was way behind getting my work done last night.

Allan

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Vern-MI

01-13-2008 03:43:28

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Allan In NE, 01-13-2008 03:35:32

Looks like you had some dry road for the trip.

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KEH

01-13-2008 05:42:21

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Re: Darned Pickup! in reply to Vern-MI, 01-13-2008 03:43:28

So you got the H a big brother. Is a C next on the list?

Your milage is about what we got hauling hay with an older Ford diesel, but not at that speed and we were not on the interstate.

KEH

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