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what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ?

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JIm In NY

01-06-2008 19:19:39




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I am seriously thinking of going to wood heat either 100% or as a supplement 50% of the time ..As with most of us I am already tired of paying outraegous prices for fuel oil.. I am looking for some good advice about these furnaces, brands, sizes, costs, instalation problems maintenance/problems. My house is give or take 2500 square feet. I can readidly obtain fire wood and as things are going these days it would even be less expensive to purchase it locally. Thanks gents in advance for your input.

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dave guest

01-07-2008 20:47:21




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
Anybody use outside wood burner within city limits? My city inspector will not discuss the matter with me.



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The Pennsylvanian

01-07-2008 15:22:27




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
I bought a Central Boiler unit five years ago and love it. It heats my house, hot water, and my detached garage. I fill it once a day when I get home from work, scrape the inside down once a week and empty the ashes out once a month. The nice thing about it is that I can burn the junk punky stuff during the summer and save my better wood for the winter. Should have put an outside burner in years ago.

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nsmall21

01-07-2008 13:28:45




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
hey,
i had a taylor 450 for 4 years. not big enough for my house. (yours is about the same size). i bought a heatmor 200 i think it is last year. in feb i will have been on it a year. i love it. fix the fire once a day. auger out the ash once a week. like others said the blower is from grainger. my dealer told me that the bladder is a 15" implement tube. he said he has all the parts because heatmor made him keep so many, but that i could buy most of them other places alot cheaper. the taylor i got second hand, after it survived a building fire. it just wasnt big enough to go all night on a load of wood. nate

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Ray

01-07-2008 11:14:57




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
Those outside heaters are banned in some areas and a few states.That's a lot of money to spend on something that has a good chance of being outlawed in a couple years or less.



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Bill in IL

01-07-2008 08:31:25




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
Its a lot like buying a tractor where its worth more to buy from a good dealer that is close in case you may need parts.
I know 3 people with heatmor's and they all love them. Also know 2 with central boilers and they are happy with them too. With the price its not something many will change in their lifetimes. One freind with his heatmor he had to replace a blower last year but it was a dayton blower so parts were easily avaliable off the shelf from grainger the next day. The dealer got an earful on that one cause he said 2 weeks to get parts. There are a lot of people who depend on them and he had no parts on hand. That's where the "good" dealer comes in handy.

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John S-B

01-07-2008 06:35:23




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
I'm considering one as well, and the Central Boiler brand seems to be the best overall. But I have not had any actual experience yet.



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maplehillfrm

01-07-2008 06:24:33




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
hey jim, I put a johnson, made I think in wisconson, I got it from HUD-SON up in barneveld ny,,

I put in the bigger one I forget what the square footage was for it , but it is big enough to do the house and the shop (when I buid it). I figured it would pay for itself after 3-5 yrs ,, I have all the wood I will need up on the top of the property,

It will use a bit more wood than an inside stove, but , all the mess is outside, no smoke dust, bugs, etc in teh house, no hauling wood inside, I had a wood shed close by the stove,, now I use trailers loaded and placed in front of the stove , a whole lot easier to load that way,,

the cost of my whole unit I am putting around 8,000,, the piping is expensive, you need two runs of it with no spices, @ about 2.50 a foot,, plus the main circulator pump was 500, and I have 4 zones @ 250 each,, approx,,,,

insatll was probably 1000, give or take,,

I put my pipes 5 feet in the ground, figured that would be deep enough,, and only put the round insulation around the pipes, [this is made for the pipe--both runs lay inside and it close around them],,,, IF I was to do it over again, I woudl maybe build a box and stuff it with insulation in addition to the round piece, I do get a little heat loss thru the ground towards the middle of the season,, not enough to make a difference in the heat to the house though,

I love the outdoor stove compared to my inside wood stove I had in the old house , as it is connected to the baseboards and the WHOLE HOUSE stays warm , comapred to the inconsistancies of the wood stove,,

I did put a back up propane "woodstove" in the living room, just in case,,

hope taht helps pat

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jdemaris

01-07-2008 06:10:26




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
Most are extremely inefficient - which often doesn't matter since most people who buy them have access to lots of firewood.

I've got a dozen farmer-neigbors with outdoor boilers near me - and most of them burn wet and scrap wood that works fine for them. Especially with no close neighbors and smoke is not an issue.

I've got an EPA rated outdoor hot-air furnace that was designed to be attached to a house on the outside. With mine, I built a large insulated room around it and it works great since I can store four full cords inside - where the wood gets warm and dry before burning. But, hot air has it's advantages and disadvantages - like anything else. Hot-air does not travel well without thermal loss, like hot-water does.

I don't know what your sitution is. I heat a large farm-house and a large workshop and barn 100% with wood. Also all our hot-water. I have hundreds of acres of hardwoods - but even with that - the wood I use certainly isn't free. I spend a lot of time, year-round, cutting, dragging, loading, unloading, splitting, etc. Also time keeping chainsaws running, chains sharp, maintaining two log-splitters, etc.
I'm by myself - so all-in-all, I don't regard the wood as cheap.

The EPA is just getting ready to intervene and force outside furnace makers to produce something more efficient. There are two on the market now - so you might want to check around a bit. There are also areas in the US looking to ban the standard outside wood-burners.

I'm not a fan of government controls - but to be fair - anything labeled as "woodstove" has to meet EPA efficiency requirements and that has resulted in much more efficient stoves. Furnaces will be next.

The reality is - a fire needs to be hot to be efficient. It's close to impossible to have a low-fire adjacent to a water tank and not have it get cooled off too much. One answer is a hot-water storage system that is used in many places in Europe. Whenever the fire is going, it is run to the max - and the hot water is stored in large insulated tanks. Then the fire is shut down - and not fired up again until the tanks cool down. Some of these systems can go for days between firing. Tarm sells them in the US but they are expensive.

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Larry59

01-07-2008 06:05:00




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 Here is what I do! in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
In the winter I use the outside wood furnace to. But when the ice storm come. I had no electricity to run the fan motor on it..... So knowing this could happen sometime. I had my wires to fan motor spliced so I could take apart easy and install an electric cord with male end to plug into my generator.... gravity flow heat works some. But not real well when the furnace is setting outside of your home. So this took care of that. I also have a converter for battries that I use to plug into this wire male end. In case I don't have gas for the generator. I use two extra Marine Batteries deep cycle. Never know when it can get real bad outside! This converter with battires as said. Will run a light or two for you so you can see if needed.

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Biomike

01-07-2008 05:41:15




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
Jim,
I'm building my own out of concrete block and clay with and old 250g tank. I'll have less then a $1000. into it when its done.
Have you considered making biodiesel for your furnace?I can make bio for about $.60 a gallon or so depending on the price of methanol. goodluck



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37 chief

01-06-2008 21:54:23




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
I never knew these things were around, living in Calif. What is wrong with a indoor wood buring stove. I made the mistake of having electric heat installed in my house when it was built. I have been using a wood stove for about 30 years for heat. Stan



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JTinNJ

01-06-2008 23:34:29




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to 37 chief, 01-06-2008 21:54:23  
Not a thing wrong with a indoor stove.When I built my house I installed a propane boiler.All we did was put the flu out the basement wall.Not having a chimney is the maine reason for going with an outdoor wood burner.And,what I like the most is that the fire is outside.



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john *.?-!.* cub owner

01-06-2008 20:33:11




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
The geothermal heat pumps are great, but the initial cost is pricey.

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Lee in Iowa

01-06-2008 20:24:53




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
Think about what buickanddeere said a heat pump, maybe more insulation,better windows spend your money that way instead of something that will make more work. Lee



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John S-B

01-07-2008 05:47:25




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to Lee in Iowa, 01-06-2008 20:24:53  
To do what B&D says you have to have suitable conditions of adequate wind and a bank of batteries for storage of energy. That's gonna take a large upfront investment. And with an outdoor furnace, you can heat separate buildings and heat water. It will also not increase your insurance costs like an indoor furnace. I don't think there will be as much work with an outdoor furnace because you don't have to cut and split the wood as small either. I have a heat pump now, but I really am not impressed with it. It's noisy, and we really don't feel like the heating or the cooling it does really "feels" good. The heat coming out does'nt feel warm, and the "AC" does'nt feel cold.

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buickanddeere

01-07-2008 14:44:03




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to John S-B, 01-07-2008 05:47:25  
No batteries, why bother when you can tie to the grid and run the meter backwards and "store" surplus electricity for free for use later.



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John S-B

01-07-2008 16:29:39




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to buickanddeere, 01-07-2008 14:44:03  
I'd love to have a windmill, IF we had the wind here. I would like to see them put up in places where there is wind though.



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buickanddeere

01-06-2008 19:32:56




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
How about a heat pump? No mess, no fuss. You can even power the heat pump from a grid tie inverter and a windmill.



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Mark Peters

01-07-2008 15:35:54




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to buickanddeere, 01-06-2008 19:32:56  
buickanddeere, I`m thinking of putting in a WaterFurnace brand heat pump . What is your typical electrical usage in winter months? I would probably be purchasing my electricity from power company vs. producing my own. In your opinion,would a heat pump still be economically feasible in this scenario?I live in Wisconsin if that makes any difference. I realize the upfront cost is high, but it looks like it should last a good long time with little maintenance AND no wood to make or fuel oil to buy.(I`m not getting any younger !)

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Paul Simmer

01-06-2008 19:26:34




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JIm In NY, 01-06-2008 19:19:39  
This is my 6th winter with a Central Boiler brand. We love ours. Removed an add on furnace in the house, got rid of smoke, ash, dirt, bugs, etc. They didn't offer Dual Fuel options until the year after I bought mine. That is the only thing I would do different, add a second fuel source to one.



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JTinNJ

01-06-2008 20:40:29




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to Paul Simmer, 01-06-2008 19:26:34  
This is my 1st year with my central bioler model 6048.I also love mine.Heat the house 100% with it,but ,I do have a propane fired boiler in the house for back up.Wish I had gone with Central bioler long ago.Have not used propane for anything other than cooking this winter.



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Jim in NY

01-07-2008 17:00:16




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 Re: what is the best OUTSIDE wood burner to buy ? in reply to JTinNJ, 01-06-2008 20:40:29  
Thanks to all for the very valuable input/feedback.



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