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Standing my ground....

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Kestrel in CT

12-31-2007 11:38:20




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This is what happens when you live in a state with the highest kilowatt rate in the continental US ($0.19/kwh).

Its gone up 60% in the last 3 years alone with no end in sight. Because I'm too stubborn to move, my chickens now reside in a "Category I Power Generating Facility".

This month I crowded on 36x 210 watt panels (7560 total watts) with this grid-tied solar system and for fun now go outside with a beer and lawn chair to watch my meter spin backwards.

Sometimes I'll even go fire up my little Case and throw a little CO2 back into space just for laughs. Al Gore....eat your heart out !

If anyone is interested in costs, tech, info. for this project, drop me a line.

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wyod

12-31-2007 18:20:44




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
Thanks for the post... nice pics and very informative... me & my missus are thinking seriously about installing a combination of solar and wind generation. Course, out here, I won't need to worry about shading... (we're trying to get trees to grow!) we have 340 days of sunshine and lots of wind! As far as ROI is concerned, I was caught up in that XX number of years to break-even thing, when I had one of those "duhhh" moments... if the cost of utilities continues to increase as it has in the past couple of years, We'll be in the plus column before we know it! Please keep us posted!!! D

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DitchWI

12-31-2007 17:34:16




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
Did you compare this system to wind power? And if so what was the deciding factor to go with solar? Seems rather spendy. We are being charched .12 cents per kwh and would like to install a windmill on top of the hill to help out since everything in the house is electric.



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Mark - IN.

12-31-2007 18:02:12




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to DitchWI, 12-31-2007 17:34:16  
Is a fella down the road has had a wind generator since the 70's. Actually a couple in the same spot. I guess like everything else, stuff wears out, parts get hard to find as models age. A couple of years ago, I looked into such a wind generator for the home. Why pay someone else? But as I recall, they weren't real cheap and were more supplimental than primary power...as I recall. By the time one charged the batteries, and then bled off through an inverter, the KWH wasn't there for primary service for models available to individual users, and needed an average wind speed of "x" to make a go of it, as I recall. Maintenance too.

Nice idea though, and I too would love to do it. Could put those up out in the fields and plow around them.

As a side note, I remember reading where somewhere in southern or mid Indiana banned them. The municipality, county, or...? I nearly blew my stack when read that. Some politicians saying, "You must do the right thing for the environment, but we just won't let you, so we'll have to tax you more".

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john in la

12-31-2007 16:28:58




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
Very nice system.

I looked into this a while back but our state offers very little help.
La only gives you a tax credit on 50% of the money you spend. The property value increase is exempt but since my property tax bill is $0.00 right now I do not see any help there. Also the net metering rules say you only collect after you cancel your electric service.

Since our rate is 0.089 per KWH it would take 26 years to break even. 19 years if you figure the increase in property value.

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doug in illinois

12-31-2007 15:48:28




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
They tell us our KWH rate is 5.1 cents, but by the time they get done adding in all the rest of the charges it is over 13 cents. Even giving them benefit of removing security light rental from the mix, it is still over 12 cents. They add in stuff like PPAC, whatever that is, that equals the 5.1 also, plus a facilty charge and state taxes. They say it has not increased in several years, they will be raising rates on it and the facility charge as if January 1. If it hasn't increased already, how come my bill is higher for this year than last yet I used less energy this year? DOUG

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jdemaris

12-31-2007 13:51:36




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
What exactly do you mean by 19 cents per KWh?

Also, did you get them property-tax-exempt? I did, but I had to fight it.

Where I live in NY, the supposed rate is 13 cents per KWh - but once you figure the true cost it's much more. The last bill I got before going to solar was $81.34 total for 450 KWh. So, even though that bill shows 13 cents, it actually comes to 18 cents per KWh.

I've got a 5400 watt solar-array with Kyocera 190GTs, grid-tied but also with full battery backup via a 48 volt Rolls-Surette battery bank. Twin Outback inverters,hub, etc. Iota 48 VDC charger to keep batteries up via a diesel genset if ever needed (never happened yet). Had to build a barn for it away from the house in order to catch what little sun we get. We make about 20% more electricity each year than we use.
If we lived out in the southwest, we'd be making twice as much.

About saving money though? I don't know about that. Peace of mind and independence, yes. My system has a price sticker of $50,000. I paid $18,000 out-of-pocket, and the rest I got back in Federal and State incentives. Even so - if my normal bill was $1000 per year, this thing has to last 18 years with no problems to even break even (at current grid rates).

I'm still glad we did it though, and I regard it as a lifetime investment. If we move, so will the panels.

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Kestrel in CT

12-31-2007 14:21:48




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to jdemaris, 12-31-2007 13:51:36  
Hi JD, My current bill is a little hard to read right now with spilled beer on it but adding up all charges and fees, is it $$0.199999 kwh.

Now if the town tries to get cute and raise my property taxes for this improvement, I expect all yuz YT guys to come bail me out of jail.'cause I ain't paying. Period!!!

Seriously, I have yet to see where the town is on this, but will fight 'em.

I agree with your ROI philosophy. I feel dern good right now. I even waived to a passing CT Light & Power truck today.

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jdemaris

12-31-2007 14:39:56




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 14:21:48  
Every state is different. In New York, the state passed a law that "allows" a town government to make solar electric systems exempt from property tax hikes. So - all that means is - here, you are at the mercy of the town government. The certainly can tax solar systems if they want.

I checked into it very carefully before installing. New York has one of the largest incentive programs in the country right now (and we're all taxed for it). If it hadn't been for the huge incentives, I would of installed off-grid with a much cheaper system. I can buy non-UL rated solar panels with full 25 year warranty at 1/2 the price of what I have now. Also, some mod-wave 5000 watt inverters would of been much cheaper than the full-wave Outbacks. But, to qualify for incentives - the panels must be UL listed and to have grid-tie, inverters must be full-wave and meet many strict requirements. I was also very leary of the grid-tie arrangement. I was wondering for a long time - after "selling" power to the grid, if they would charge me a delivery charge to get it back when I needed it. I never got a straight answer - but we just found out. This is the darkest month I've seen in years and this is the first month we needed some power back from the grid. We got it, and no delivery charges. At the moment, the power company owes us over 4000 KWhs - so we've got plenty in reserve. It's kind of like lending them money and not getting any interest on it. But, it beats making the excess power and wasting it.

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Walt Davies

12-31-2007 13:42:55




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
My nephew builds solar Electric system here are a couple he has put in.
Yes that is a Nuclear power plant in the background. With a $100 electric bill and $25,000 starting price I'm not so sure I could break even. Walt

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Walt Davies

12-31-2007 13:48:26




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Walt Davies, 12-31-2007 13:42:55  
Forgot to add his Web site.

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buickanddeere

12-31-2007 13:28:07




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
And I was moaning about 9.8cents/kwhr



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KRUSS1

12-31-2007 14:58:44




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to buickanddeere, 12-31-2007 13:28:07  
6.5 cents/kwh in Manitoba. That's why we sell electricity.



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buickanddeere

01-01-2008 11:29:20




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to KRUSS1, 12-31-2007 14:58:44  
9.8 cents is a composite and varies. There two prices for electricity depending on amounts. Then transmission charges, transmission losses, debt retirement, connection charge and a couple of other charges nobody really knows what they are. Anybody can sell solar for 42cents/KW hr and 11 cents/KW hr for "renewable". Water, wind, biomass etc. It does require a "Philadelphia Lawyer" to sort through the red tape. There are incentive programs etc for "renewable energy" however it's a task for the previously mentioned "Philadelphia Lawyer".

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TomH in PA

12-31-2007 13:26:58




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
Anybody have solar panels for heat/hot water? A neighbor has a few and say they work really well in spring and fall when temperatures aren't too cold and the days are long enough.



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rrlund

12-31-2007 12:13:56




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
Are those panels made by United Solar Ovonics by any chance? Those folks just opened up two new manufacturing plants 8 miles west of me.



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AndrewFromNS

12-31-2007 12:09:30




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
Yeah, I'm interested in more information on those panels, too...being in Canada, I don't know how relivant the prices would be, but it would at least give me some idea how long it would take to break even.

AR



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georgeky

12-31-2007 12:03:38




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
That is a nice set up. Seems like a fancy chicken house. Nice old Case too.



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onefarmer

12-31-2007 11:53:32




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 Tell us more!! in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
Please tell us more.
Cost of the panels? Generates what percent of your power? How much in Jan? How much in July? Do you just feed the excess back into the grid or do you also use battery storage?



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phillip d

12-31-2007 11:42:41




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 Re: Standing my ground.... in reply to Kestrel in CT, 12-31-2007 11:38:20  
Holy smokes!That's alot of pannels,very impressive,and so is the Case.pd



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